Teens

Also, sometimes an adult wants to dress like a teen, maybe they can pull it off but when not, let 'em fail, it's a personal choice.

And I want to reiterate, whether teens are shorter, taller, or equal to "adults" (many, randomly assorted adults) is not really as much the question as, "are teens their own full height?" Usually YES. Especially girls 14+ (14!!!!) but many boys too, if not most, depending on which years we count.

In the game the "teen" years are actually just high school years, so they might "start at" 14/15 and end at/by 18. TS4 mentions high school, which I don't think was a vanilla ts3 thing, at least based on The One school building.

I would love pre-teens though, and middle-schoolers / junior high ... ers? ... jr. high kids. Heh heh. :)

"Movotti;c-16236192" wrote:

"Eliharb;c-16235764" wrote:
most teens I know are shorter than adults so

What continent are you on? If you don't mind me asking.
Also, most teens are aged 16-19, are 16-19 year olds really that short compared to adults? Rhetorical question, but one worth taking into consideration.

The teens in the game are meant to represent an average of the teen years, which would put them at about 15-17, though they can easily represent the teen ages around that.

"Eliharb;c-16235764" wrote:
jumping from child to adult height like they do in TS4 which makes zero sense and feels like they missed a whole life stage

Did you ever play ts1? Children never grew up, not even if their parents died. I think that made a lot less sense than children becoming teens, because when you think about it, children do become teens, and sometimes those growth spurts feel like the kid gained a full foot overnight.

"JoAnne65;c-16235321" wrote:
Please respect that instead of pulling my post out of context by selectively quoting it.

I was only replying to a specific part, the rest didn't seem important to what I was replying to.
Too many words in one block make it hard for my dyslexic brain to put a reply together to. I need to break it down to specifically what I am replying to.
Please respect the dyslexic persons needs, I do what I have to do, to manage with this condition.

That’s odd because my reply to what you said was in fact in the original post you misquoted. You just hadn’t included it in the quote. All I had to do was bold it and you had your answer.

I don’t care much about their height but I want them to look more youthful. And have interactions, clothes and and events just for them.

"Dannydanbo;c-16237365" wrote:

"Eliharb;c-16236908" wrote:

"Movotti;c-16236192" wrote:
What continent are you on? If you don't mind me asking.
Also, most teens are aged 16-19, are 16-19 year olds really that short compared to adults? Rhetorical question, but one worth taking into consideration.

The teens in the game are meant to represent an average of the teen years, which would put them at about 15-17, though they can easily represent the teen ages around that.

Let's address things one by one:
https://i.imgur.com/m4RBfIk.png

1-Teens are thirteen to nineteen, hence the "teen" suffix?

2-13 being the end of childhood and 19 being young adult, a teen life state should be in the middle of those two ages, meaning sims shouldn't be the same height as young adults. But that's just me trying to form arguments based on facts.

I will however also address your "What continent are you on?" question: did they teach you that there are different species on each continent or something where you grew up?

"Movotti;c-16236192" wrote:

"Eliharb;c-16235764" wrote:
jumping from child to adult height like they do in TS4 which makes zero sense and feels like they missed a whole life stage

Did you ever play ts1? Children never grew up, not even if their parents died. I think that made a lot less sense than children becoming teens, because when you think about it, children do become teens, and sometimes those growth spurts feel like the kid gained a full foot overnight.

3-I did play TS1, that game didn't even pretend to be doing aging. TS4 is different because sims age up with time, so I wouldn't compare the two. And growth spurts don't happen overnight no matter how you feel, it's gradual. Since we don't have gradual seamless aging, teens should by principle have a transitional height between children and young adults.

Well, the middle of 13 to 19 is 16 and almost all the sixteen year olds I have known are about adult height, so I guess they are the right size after all. You seem to be wanting fourteen year olds which, as you pointed out, is not the middle of that age group.

No they haven't. Girls keep growing till they're 17, boys till they're 18,5. Since any stage takes an average, they simply should be shorter than their adult version. There really is no rational way around that.

"Eliharb;c-16236908" wrote:
I will however also address your "What continent are you on?" question: did they teach you that there are different species on each continent or something where you grew up?

Well... Monotreme are unique to my part of the world. And my darling Thylacine, who sadly, is no longer with us. Or Vombatiformes, very cute, but one branch of the family are low, poop cubes and destroy cars, and the other branch are high, sleepy and hate everyone. We also have a mythological creature, it used to be up there with unicorns, until it was discovered to be common here.

But in relation to the height thing, different regions have different development rates.
In Australia, it's not unusual for your kids to end up 2-4 cm taller than you, while in the Netherlands, 4- 8cm is the difference. Meanwhile, in north america the height difference has stagnated, and kids tend to end up around the same height as their parents, and have a slightly slower growth rate.

It's relevant, because if you're in north america, then it would make perfect sense that you're not seeing the same growth rate that I'm seeing. As I've said before, kids here are beanpoles.

"Dannydanbo;c-16237365" wrote:
Well, the middle of 13 to 19 is 16 and almost all the sixteen year olds I have known are about adult height, so I guess they are the right size after all.

And that is pretty much what I'm doing such a plum bad job of pointing out.

You seem to be wanting fourteen year olds which, as you pointed out, is not the middle of that age group.

They're obviously not wanting 14 year old Aussies. Cos, beanpoles. :p



And for anyone who is interested.
A typical 12 year old boy ten years ago was 5cm taller than a typical 12 year old boy 30 years prior
https://niagarastreet.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/canada-weighs-in-infographic-580.jpg

Indicating that canadian kids are growing faster than they used to.

Comparing it to the average height of australian women in 2012, 161.8cm vs a typical 12 year old canadian boy in 2007-9 155.8cm.
6 cm.
That's a barely noticeable difference.

Between 12 and 14, is when most boys have a growth spurt of far more than just 6 cm. I don't see why it's so hard for people to get that a 14 year old boy can easily be as tall as, or taller than at least one parent.

Unless there were more height options for adult sims, teen sims are as tall as they should be.

"Dannydanbo;c-16237772" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16237660" wrote:

"Dannydanbo;c-16237365" wrote:

"Eliharb;c-16236908" wrote:

"Movotti;c-16236192" wrote:
What continent are you on? If you don't mind me asking.
Also, most teens are aged 16-19, are 16-19 year olds really that short compared to adults? Rhetorical question, but one worth taking into consideration.

The teens in the game are meant to represent an average of the teen years, which would put them at about 15-17, though they can easily represent the teen ages around that.

Let's address things one by one:
https://i.imgur.com/m4RBfIk.png

1-Teens are thirteen to nineteen, hence the "teen" suffix?

2-13 being the end of childhood and 19 being young adult, a teen life state should be in the middle of those two ages, meaning sims shouldn't be the same height as young adults. But that's just me trying to form arguments based on facts.

I will however also address your "What continent are you on?" question: did they teach you that there are different species on each continent or something where you grew up?

"Movotti;c-16236192" wrote:

"Eliharb;c-16235764" wrote:
jumping from child to adult height like they do in TS4 which makes zero sense and feels like they missed a whole life stage

Did you ever play ts1? Children never grew up, not even if their parents died. I think that made a lot less sense than children becoming teens, because when you think about it, children do become teens, and sometimes those growth spurts feel like the kid gained a full foot overnight.

3-I did play TS1, that game didn't even pretend to be doing aging. TS4 is different because sims age up with time, so I wouldn't compare the two. And growth spurts don't happen overnight no matter how you feel, it's gradual. Since we don't have gradual seamless aging, teens should by principle have a transitional height between children and young adults.

Well, the middle of 13 to 19 is 16 and almost all the sixteen year olds I have known are about adult height, so I guess they are the right size after all. You seem to be wanting fourteen year olds which, as you pointed out, is not the middle of that age group.

No they haven't. Girls keep growing till they're 17, boys till they're 18,5. Since any stage takes an average, they simply should be shorter than their adult version. There really is no rational way around that.

Regardless of your opinion or my opinion, this shorter teen/pre-teen topic has been talked o death. Most have ended in arguments that have resulted in getting those topics closed. I'm not going to do this again, so I'll end my part by saying the devs have made teens the way THEY want them that's how they will stay. You can talk about what you believe are facts but this is what we have to work with. Good luck and happy simming.

Oh that we can agree on, and they’re never going to change this for Sims 4 so in that respect the discussion is pointless (I’m in it for the eventual successor). But correct me if I’m wrong, you yourself were the one continuing this debate by jumping into a discussion between two other simmers, adding an argument that’s not an argument. Seems a bit double to suddenly play the “let’s not discuss this anymore” card. If you don’t wanna play that card, don’t start yourself.

@Movotti Please stop ignoring the fact the very same sim is just as tall as a teen as they are when they become adults. That doesn’t happen in real life and that’s what hinders people. That the very same sim looks like their own adult version when they’re a teen. Your argument would make sense if height were a thing in the game. That could actually be really nice, from a genetic point of view. Especially when they’d add a system where environmental circumstances (food, hygiene) matter. The thing is, height is not an ingredient in Sims, they’re all identical, even men and women. Every kid turns out just as tall as their parents, grandparents and greatgrandparents in the end. Unlike the boys in your example.

We so need pre-teens because kids don't just jump from 8-10 yrs to 15-18 yrs. We need a life stage in the middle for 11-14 yrs.

"Jprp83;c-16234372" wrote:
I still have a hard time distinguishing teens from adults in TS4. I hope they find a way to adjust the height while keeping all the same clothing options. Shouldn't be impossible, but I guess the devs have other priorities.

I try to make sure the teens I control dress more like a teen where 'fashion' is considered. I use this as a period of experimentation. Once they age up, I tend to dress them more appropriately for their more mature self.

Yes, once any of my Sims age up, I drag them kicking and screaming into CAS — whether they wish to go or not. :p I control the horizontal. I control the vertical.

A height slider would fix the teem issue a bit, I wish for a preteen life stage.. I know high hopes.

"JoAnne65;c-16238354" wrote:
Please stop ignoring the fact the very same sim is just as tall as a teen as they are when they become adults. That doesn’t happen in real life and that’s what hinders people.

Then why aren't people whining that elders don't shrink in old age?
Why don't people want to give the elders a bet of love? What have people got against the elderly!?!

That the very same sim looks like their own adult version when they’re a teen.

I don't see that. I see teens as looking more youthful than their adult version.

Your argument would make sense if height were a thing in the game.

Are you saying that reality doesn't make sense? I don't get what you mean, can you please reword?

Take a closer look at the chart. Boys and girls in canada, in 2007-9 are about the same height at age 12.
These days, children, prior to their teenage years, are having a similar growth rate, regardless of sex. Girl and boy sims of the same height is what is starting to happen in the real world.


Over all, personally, I find that sims represent the stereotypical Scandinavian heights. Their teens are tall, their adults are tall, their elders are tall.

"SarahsShady;c-16239338" wrote:
A height slider would fix the teem issue a bit, I wish for a preteen life stage.. I know high hopes.

No, it wouldn't fix much, because of all the time and effort that would have to go into fixing broken animations.
It's one of those things that makes no sense to add to ts4, but instead, to maybe include in ts5 from the start.
But even then, a height slider would be a lot of extra work, for so little to be added to the game. I'd rather they put the effort into more staircase variations, spinny washing lines, drum kits, bicycles, cubby houses and climbable trees.