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Jomilej
Seasoned Traveler
10 months ago

Thoughts about a Death Expansion Pack?

Hello everyone,

So yes, I'm pretty sure this theme won't really be in the game but I'm still curious about your thoughts if we ever get a WHOLE expansion about Death.

New Careers:
- Grim Reaper (Freelancer)
- Mortician/Undertaker
- Therapist/ Grief Counselor: Active career

New Skills:
- Reaping Skill (if the skill is too low, chances are reaping souls won't work and the sim who is supposed to die won't :D )
- Crafting Skill (This can include Pottery with Ceramic, Glass Fabrication, and Marble Work) which can include urns and coffins too

New Lot type:
-Graveyard/ Cemetery with special events depending on the Moon Phase (can be disabled in the game options for people who don't play with occults)

New Occults:
- Mummies or Zombies or Both (why not, depending on the reaping skill I guess?)
- Create Ghosts in CAS + Possessions with various effects on the possessed Sims depending on the ghost's type

- With the new lot, a new lot event may be implemented (zombies crawling out their tombs, hauntings, temporary curses, etc...) depending on the moon phase or the traditions from the Seasons Expansion Pack if the player has it (Of course as I said earlier, it should be an option only).

Deaths:
- Other emotions can kill the Sims (Death by Fear like in the Sims 2, Death by Boredom -which gives the fun need a purpose-, Death by Extreme Sadness)
- No second chance (Death on 1st strike: option to enable in the game options): I'm kinda tired of having no surprise in the game when it comes to death, I always have a warning (even the fastest death, death by meteorite, gives a warning). But if players don't want their sims to die on the 1st strike, it should be an option in the game.

New Social Event:
- Funerals

I don't think a new world is necessary so they can really work on more details (well a secret/hidden lot would be nice though). Also, I'm more of an occult player so I see it more with occult gameplay in mind but maybe you have something on the more "realistic" side of the theme?

What do you think?

PS: there are rumors about a death theme apparently, so it was way more possible than I thought

Edit: WELL...so we're getting a death EP after all😅

 

  • IngridIngersoll's avatar
    IngridIngersoll
    Seasoned Novice
    4 months ago

    I'd love to be able to have a family run funeral home and careers like mortician or funeral director. 

    • Jomilej's avatar
      Jomilej
      Seasoned Traveler
      4 months ago

      I love that idea...it's giving Adam's family

  • EgonVM's avatar
    EgonVM
    Seasoned Ace
    10 months ago
    One question:

    What would be the point of morticians when the Grim Reaper turns dead sims into urns/tombstones? What would they do?

    The "No Second Chance" thing sounds interesting, though I'd call it "Unexpected Deaths". Right now, Death by Murphy bed is truly this kind of death. The changes it would make though I'd see as these:
    • Meteor death wouldn't need changes, as sims won't run inside on their own. That could really happen on its own if player is distracted on something else. However, I'd make it so that if Unexpected Deaths is turned off or if that sim is an NPC, they'll run indoors on their own.
    • Electrocution: Certain emotions/moodlets hold a chance to immediately kill sims.
    • Steam: Sims that are in the same room as a sauna object (that's being used) will also get closer to death.
    • Poison: Getting poisoned more will shorten the time your sim has to get cured before they die (like it was with Guinea Pig disease in The Sims 1).
    • Lightning: Same as Electrocution.
    • Spellcaster Overload: Initial overload should hold a small chance of death if your sim is in certain moods.
    • Murphy Bed: This one, if the option is turned off, sim needs to be injured for a chance to be crushed to death. Close Call immediately results in death.
    • Flies: Increase the chance with each food dish your sim has. Add more if the food is spoiled.
    • Vending Machine: Initial crushing has a small chance to kill, Battered and Bruised has medium chance to kill, and Close Call always kills if the vending machine decides to crush a sim.
    • Falling: Removes the injury requirement.
    • Stink Capsule: Low hygiene holds a chance of immediate death.
    • Urban Myth: Being in Terrified emotion will kill sims should they fail.


    Of course I'd suggest the injury system to be improved with previous content too. For now, only Snowy Escape and Werewolves activities contribute to injuries. After all, one lesser known fact is that your sim actually doesn't need to be crushed twice by a vending machine to die as should they get Close Call moodlet from somewhere else (let's say snowboarding fails) and then get crushed, they'll die without having been crushed before.
    Some activities that could contribute to injuries from previous packs and base game:
    • Rocket ship crash
    • Electrocution
    • Fire
    • Treadmill fails
    • Dance move fails (Get Together)
    • Water Slide fails (Backyard)
    • Basketball fails (City Living)
    • Human sim fighting against a vampire (Vampires)
    • Bowling trick fails (Bowling)
    • Rock Climbing Wall fails (Fitness)
    • Jungle dangers (Jungle Adventures)
    • Temple activation fails (Jungle Adventures)
    • Lightning (Seasons)
    • Risky stunt fails (Get Famous)
    • Barely escaping from water garden (Get Famous)
    • MP Fight Fail (StrangerVille)
    • Being pulled underwater (Island Living)
    • Spellcaster Overload (Realm of Magic)
    • Soccer injury (Discover University)
    • Too much robotics fails (Discover University)
    • Keg Stand Fails (Discover University)
    • Murphy Bed Crushing (Tiny Living)
    • Attacked by Flies (Eco Lifestyle)
    • Fabrication Machine Rebellion (Eco Lifestyle)
    • Rabbit/Chicken attack (Cottage Living)
    • Being thrown off a horse (Horse Ranch)
    • Being kicked by a horse (Horse Ranch)

    Though yes, the more things that can cause injuries there are, the more common does death by vending machine becomes though...
  • Jomilej's avatar
    Jomilej
    Seasoned Traveler
    10 months ago
    "luthienrising;c-18341917" wrote:
    "jomilej;c-18341901" wrote:
    "luthienrising;c-18341804" wrote:
    Totally here for everything except Mummies/Zombies, but I know some people would like that...

    I want the Mortician career and funerals and wakes.


    A death pack is the only theme I can see Zombies being added to the game at this point; Except if they make an entire Game Pack about them, which I'll be totally okay with; If they're in a Game Pack, it's guaranteed to be great (until now, we got pretty strong occult Game Packs so I'll be happy if they separate death and zombies)


    Yeah, I just really, really, really don't want any in my save, personally. A pack that forced them on me (no off button, no way to avoid them) would be one I'd have to wait for a "no zombies" mod for or be the first pack I nope out on completely.


    I think they'll be like Mermaids and Aliens if they are in a game pack. Aliens are only triggered if you certain objects in the game and Mermaids are basically non existent if you don't call for them. But if they ever make a Zombies Game Pack, it better be really good with walking options (I don't want the sims 3 walk for zombies lol)
  • EgonVM's avatar
    EgonVM
    Seasoned Ace
    10 months ago
    "jomilej;c-18341945" wrote:
    "EgonVM;c-18341911" wrote:
    One question:

    What would be the point of morticians when the Grim Reaper turns dead sims into urns/tombstones? What would they do?

    The "No Second Chance" thing sounds interesting, though I'd call it "Unexpected Deaths". Right now, Death by Murphy bed is truly this kind of death. The changes it would make though I'd see as these:


    Morticians are basically the ones organizing the funerals but in a Sims 4 style gameplay, it should be a work from home career not an active one, so the responsibilities could be very different from the Grim Reaper. But if it works like a freelancer or an active job, we could have something like this job description:
    - Preparing the funerals (the ceremony). Also, maybe they'll be the ones turning tombstones into coffins or transfer the ashes from the base game urns to custom urns? And once they burry the coffin, they can change the Sim's tombstone into a custom one (these custom urns and tombstones could be crafted through the new skill)...but if the family has a mausoleum/crypt, maybe they would have the possibility to keep the coffin on a pedestal instead of turning it into a tombstone (depending on the families' budget, it could be something like that)?

    - Meeting with clients to explain services and make the funeral, cremation and interment arrangements

    - Providing clients with pricing information and preparing contracts

    And also, yes, I need more unexpected Deaths. Especially electrocution and Fire. The RocketShip crash should bring death too, my sims never died even after many crashes


    I see. Thanks for answering.
  • GracieFace312's avatar
    GracieFace312
    10 months ago
    I would love this - I would really like a Netherworld complete with lava rivers and lavafalls. I just think that would look amazing in TS4.
  • ChampandGirlie's avatar
    ChampandGirlie
    New Spectator
    10 months ago
    I would like funerals, wills and some gameplay around the subject. I already have a cemetary but that could be enhanced. I would also want a bit more gameplay for elders. I also think they can always add more life events.
  • rlc77's avatar
    rlc77
    Seasoned Newcomer
    10 months ago
    "AlanSims;c-18347994" wrote:
    If this were to be made, I hope it comes with a nice world like Midnight Hollow.


    Yes, yes, yes!
  • Jomilej's avatar
    Jomilej
    Seasoned Traveler
    10 months ago
    "Bluegayle;c-18347998" wrote:
    Definitely not a fan. Too much death in my real world to want it in Sims. However if a gamepack then I can not purchase so if it is actually a popular choice then it is what it is.

    Instead of funerals though I prefer Celebrations of Life. Basically a party with family and friends.


    ok :)
  • crocobaura's avatar
    crocobaura
    Seasoned Ace
    10 months ago
    "jomilej;c-18348399" wrote:
    "jcp011c2;c-18348108" wrote:
    Game Pack would be enough for me. Though they've had a history of going light on the EPs, I honestly can't see them filling out an EP with things relating to death/funerals/etc.


    What bothers me with game packs for themes like this is that it's always the bare minimum like Dream Home Decorator, My Wedding Stories...And I feel like they wouldn't go as deep as they could.


    Actually, I think a system that's not very in depth would be preferable. There would be less room for errors and bugs and random stuff that don't make sense passing for AI.
  • Jomilej's avatar
    Jomilej
    Seasoned Traveler
    10 months ago
    "DaWaterRat;c-18348431" wrote:
    "jomilej;c-18348399" wrote:
    "jcp011c2;c-18348108" wrote:
    Game Pack would be enough for me. Though they've had a history of going light on the EPs, I honestly can't see them filling out an EP with things relating to death/funerals/etc.


    What bothers me with game packs for themes like this is that it's always the bare minimum like Dream Home Decorator, My Wedding Stories...And I feel like they wouldn't go as deep as they could.


    And yet, we've also recently had Werewolves, which is arguably the best Occult pack of the three (and the most recent Game Pack) I could point out a couple of other Game packs that aren't particularly light either (Parenthood comes to mind, and Jungle Adventure), but they're older. Point being that GP vs EP actually has no bearing on the depth of a pack, only how many workhours and outsourced assets they can put in.

    I really think that a game pack would suit a death pack. It's niche and doesn't have the same asset demands as say... horses (which is the only reason I give Horse Ranch a pass on being as shallow as it was) and their recent track record with EPs suggest they'd go more broad than deep if they were to do a death EP.


    I'm not a fan of Parenthood at all to be honest.
    But What I'm talking about is more about the theme itself. For example, vampires, werewolves and realm of Magic are perfect game packs to me cause they focus on one system. While Dream Home Decorator feels like a stuff pack theme (like Moschino) and to go big with it, real estate should have been at least there. And for My wedding stories, the theme of wedding is too narrow when it's a very big part of people's lives: it could have been a whole love Expansion (with attraction system, upgraded dating system, more wedding themes for build/buy, and of course a better way to handle divorce). I don't know if you see what I'm meaning with an expanding theme but to me huge themes like Love, Death, Growth shouldn't be restricted to a Game Pack cause it's limiting their full potential imo.

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