Tiny Living - But

There's a lot of potential with objects that could've been included in this pack that would support tiny living and make it different from previous build/buy items seen in previous packs, like bunk beds, ladders/spiral stairs, or an object with 2 functions or is expandable (stairs/storage, 1 slot dining table that can be extended). Makes me wonder if the team has watched any tiny house building show as research for this pack ?

"VYX;c-17362345" wrote:
There's a lot of potential with objects that could've been included in this pack that would support tiny living and make it different from previous build/buy items seen in previous packs, like bunk beds, ladders/spiral stairs, or an object with 2 functions or is expandable (stairs/storage, 1 slot dining table that can be extended). Makes me wonder if the team has watched any tiny house building show as research for this pack ?

Maybe it would have been a great GP... Still, I'm looking forward to what it *does* have. I'd have loved to see some of these other things too!

This will sound like me defending EA, but I realize that the developers, etc, need to make a living especially to maintain a "live service". So, that doesn't bother me. I would like to see more re-invested such as new animations and expanded gameplay. I am in complete agreement that I'd have liked to see an extra wow factor in IL, for example.

Stuff packs ... are inexpensive and very optional. I like having different stuff. If I have to recycle too many of the same objects and clothes, I'd get bored. I think I must be a fairly visual player. I like creating different visual environments and seeing everything change.

Anyway, I see the point about murphy beds, that they could have been in DU or CL. I don't mind them in a stuff pack though. I wouldn't just be getting this pack for the murphy bed, I think it will be helpful for building and decorating. I also do have some tiny houses that might want space-saving objects. I did get Perfect Patio essentially just for the hot tubs. Meh, that was my decision.

I don't think stuff packs are a problem. I do think EPs need to make sure that their value is really clear.

I learned about this pack today, and I got to say I'm surprised there was no spiral staircases and even ladders.

"PotterheadSim;c-17362299" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17361965" wrote:
Does anyone else remember the days when things like Murphy Beds just happened to be included in expansion packs for Sims 2 and Sims 3, instead of a stuff pack that revolves around them? Because I certainly do.

This stuff pack is honestly the most cringe worthy thing they've ever announced... and yes, I'm even admitting that it's worse than 'My First Pet'... I NEVER thought the day would come when I say that, but it's true... as awful as MFP is, this one takes the cake as the absolute biggest cash grab in the history of The Sims!

We're literally being charged $10 for a new bed... that's it... and yeah, they could've easily included bunk beds and ladders/spiral staircases in this, but no... they wanna be the greedy company they've always been!

Ironically, if they had included bunk beds in this pack, more people would feel inclined to actually buy it... I would say they made a mistake by this, but I know for a fact that it was done on purpose... they're money hungry!

I really wish Sims fans would STOP buying these cash grabs! We need to tell EA that this is NOT okay!

but you're not paying 10$ just for a murphy bed.. you also get new cas and build/buy stuff... as it is a stuff pack. remember when we used to pay twice as much for sims 2 and 3 stuff packs that didn't have any new gameplay items?

A stuff pack in the sims 2 was 9.99 in my country, the same price as a sims 4 stuff pack. The difference is sims 2 didn’t need stuff packs as the expansions were full of content.

I think the concern with knitted wear being a focus in this pack is because it’s very convenient that shortly after a knitting stuff pack wins we are getting a pack featuring knitwear, it does look very odd and I can see why people are thinking it looks like the vote was decided. For me, my concern is when the knitting stuff pack comes out it will heavily re colour those items because re colouring cas items is something they like to do. And we got a whole pack with that- looking at you my first pet.

I also don’t actually think it’s fair to shame players or label people as negative for not liking this pack or the concept. Everyone has their own opinions and what I’ve said above isn’t hurting anyone the same way someone saying they can’t wait to buy it doesn’t bother me. Why would it?

I like the concept of tiny living. I’m so far really not keen on what looks like a Murphy bed stuff pack. A new lot trait doesn’t seem appealing as the perks are very easily achieved in game. Most importantly we can already build tiny homes. That’s my opinion.

None of the topics on this subject specify positive comments only (or indeed the opposite) If you own all the dlc for this game you have paid over £600. People have the right to their opinions over a product they have purchased and as long as they aren’t trying to de rail someone’s thread, attacking another player and being polite, I don’t think it’s okay to criticise people for having a different opinion.

"KaeChan2089;c-17362446" wrote:

"Pamtastic72;c-17362364" wrote:

"Simpatsyann;c-17362319" wrote:

"luthienrising;c-17362316" wrote:
Slightly confused why people think there's an issue with there being knitted clothing in this pack. We've always had knit sweaters in the game.

As for what's in the pack, there's the Murphy bed (with new animation) AND new combo objects AND a whole system around the tiny houses themselves.

Indeed. Knitted clothing seems like an odd thing to get in an uproar over.

Because there is a group on here that simply just love to complain for the sake of complaining. It’s always the same exact people, many of whom have stated on other threads that they haven’t played S4 since release or shortly after, who are alway on the S2 & S3 threads but come over here as soon as there is a new pack trailer and start dropping negativity bombs into the middle of everyone’s threads. It’s the same group who built an entire complaining thread about DU one day after the 2 minute trailer was released and we still didn’t really know anything about it, but at least then they basically kept there negativity to themselves.

Then if you go into their negative thread and defend S4 or suggest they at least wait until there’s more info they’re insulted. How dare you bring your positivity into our negative thread? Even though we don’t think twice about tearing apart your positive ones. Calling you sellouts, and implying you’re destroying the franchise because you enjoy this iteration of The Sims. It’s old, and it’s tiresome. They don’t like S4, they never have like S4, they never will like S4 no matter what the devs do with it or don’t do with it and that’s fine. What I don’t understand is why they have to leave the threads for the iteration they do like and play to trash those of us are happy with this game.

I really had to get that off my chest. ?

And we are in an uproar about them pulling a item that was clearly meant to be in DU only to slap a price tag on it. Some of us see through this utter nonsense, but if you rather pay $10 for the heck of it , go ahead.

Me buying it is all but a done deal. I love this version of the game, I tried the other 2 versions and hated them both because I couldn’t get past the ugly sims, the crummy graphics and the muddy dull colors but, you don’t see me anywhere on the threads for those versions trashing them and telling people they’re killing the game for liking them, yet others feel free to come into the threads of people who are happy paying S4 and spewing nastiness and negativity. Like I said, it’s tiresome.

I get there are aspects of the game that could be improved and features that would be great, and I truly believe that the devs are really trying to accommodate as much of that as they can. If you don’t like S4, fine that your prerogative go play 2 & 3. But I don’t understand why so many are totally bent on trying to suck the fun and joy out of it for the rest of us.

"KaeChan2089;c-17362446" wrote:

"Pamtastic72;c-17362364" wrote:

"Simpatsyann;c-17362319" wrote:

"luthienrising;c-17362316" wrote:
Slightly confused why people think there's an issue with there being knitted clothing in this pack. We've always had knit sweaters in the game.

As for what's in the pack, there's the Murphy bed (with new animation) AND new combo objects AND a whole system around the tiny houses themselves.

Indeed. Knitted clothing seems like an odd thing to get in an uproar over.

Because there is a group on here that simply just love to complain for the sake of complaining. It’s always the same exact people, many of whom have stated on other threads that they haven’t played S4 since release or shortly after, who are alway on the S2 & S3 threads but come over here as soon as there is a new pack trailer and start dropping negativity bombs into the middle of everyone’s threads. It’s the same group who built an entire complaining thread about DU one day after the 2 minute trailer was released and we still didn’t really know anything about it, but at least then they basically kept there negativity to themselves.

Then if you go into their negative thread and defend S4 or suggest they at least wait until there’s more info they’re insulted. How dare you bring your positivity into our negative thread? Even though we don’t think twice about tearing apart your positive ones. Calling you sellouts, and implying you’re destroying the franchise because you enjoy this iteration of The Sims. It’s old, and it’s tiresome. They don’t like S4, they never have like S4, they never will like S4 no matter what the devs do with it or don’t do with it and that’s fine. What I don’t understand is why they have to leave the threads for the iteration they do like and play to trash those of us are happy with this game.

I really had to get that off my chest. ?

And we are in an uproar about them pulling a item that was clearly meant to be in DU only to slap a price tag on it. Some of us see through this utter nonsense, but if you rather pay $10 for the heck of it , go ahead.

How were Murphy beds "clearly meant to be in DU"? Because for some strange reason -- in spite of the rarity of Murphy beds in university dorms -- they were included in past University packs? Murphy beds -- *double* beds with mechanisms that can break -- aren't things that are common in dorms. Just because they were included before, in spite of lack of relevance, doesn't mean they were "excluded" this time. They certainly are significantly more relevant to "tiny houses" than to universities.

As for the spiral staircases and bunk beds that would also make sense in tiny houses, whatever development it is that they require doesn't fit in the SP format from a production standpoint:
https://twitter.com/SimGuruNinja/status/1214971959148044288

Personally, I believe that spiral staircases should be a free patch objects. There's simply no one kind of pack they make sense in, and even if they come alongside a pack, they should be patched in for everyone.

As for bunk beds, those would have been a *great* addition to University and would have made actual sense. They're a real thing in dorms, at least the version where there's a raised bed with a desk underneath it. But if they're too big for an SP, just how empty would a GP or EP end up feeling because of what else couldn't be done? I believe they too should be handed over to the free-stuff team, not part of *any* pack.

"Sigzy05;c-17361713" wrote:
Well to be fair bunk beds have been highly requested. They have been present in all sims games but TS1.

I'm still so mad that they didn't animate elevators, especially on an EP that barely had much content at all. And all because they saw using elevators as useless because "at the end of the day they are just moving sims up and down".

You gotta laugh at that logic... (if you didn't, you'd cry). What if they applied that to everything? At the end of the day it's just sims getting out of bed, it's just sims eating a meal, it's just sims having a bath... I'm still mad about the lack of elevator animations too, it was a fun place to woohoo in sims 3. I used to love making my own buildings with elevators in them too. I really do not understand why they did not give us that.

As for bunk beds, well I'm pretty sad they are not in this pack, they would have fitted in nicely for the kids whilst mum and dad slept in their Murphy bed (when did we get bunks in TS2 though? I didn't think they were there except cc ones) but I guess I understand why they were not put in Tiny Living if they are too much to make for a stuff pack.

The one thing I was convinced of as soon as I saw the title was ladders. I actually watched the video fully expecting to see ladders at some point and then I was like - where's the ladders?

ROFL I love a new pack announcement. It leads to such entertaining threads :D

How do people know that the Murphy bed was clearly meant to be in the DU pack? Am I missing something there? Was there a previous leak or something from an EA employee?