Was anyone else hoping that the announcement...

"izecson;c-17097483" wrote:
I was actually hoping the announcements are not just for new contents, but rework of some of the game's mechanics or even game's engine.

I think the game's engine will change in June's patch. Remember the 32bit and 64bit thing.

I am confused. Do you mean that they can one day shut down the server, like they have for other games? I suppose legally they can if they are losing money, but I don't think that is a worry here. Not every sims player is a gamer. For some it is more like a hobby and a way to use their creative outlets to build, storytelling, etc. People spend a great deal on this game so it would be more prudent to find another alternative.

"SimChi;c-17099633" wrote:
Not sure what you mean with your comment.

For years I’ve seen comments slating and bashing Sims 3 for having so many bugs (and rightly so). And now all of a sudden it’s:

• I pay and know bugs are possible
  
• I don't expect anything to get released "bug-free" as the OP puts it
  
• Bug free games don't exist.
  
• And no game is totally 'bug-free'.
  

Bugs in Sims 3: horrible, unplayable, unacceptable!!
Bugs in Sims 4: ah, yeah, that can happen.

Must be awesome for EA to read fans are finally ok with it.
“I sincerely hope it doesn't resemble 3 after these next few years.”
Seems to me it already does.
“You don't have to pay for the DLC if you don't want it.”
And if you do want it? Isn’t that the whole point in this topic? Wanting DLC but not the bugs?

You're right @JoAnne65 that bugs are not in and of themselves acceptable, not any more in 4 than in 3. But I do find that most of the bugs I encounter in 4 do eventually get fixed, sometimes right away in post-EP emergency patches, and sometimes 1-2 months later in big bug fix patches. Most of the bugs I ever saw in 3 are still there and can often only be fully fixed with mods (NRaas, for example). That's kind of the difference I tried to point out. It's not that I enjoy the bugs that I have, but I do see them getting fixed and I currently have barely any at all. So yes, it's a bit subjective in the end, and perhaps also depends on how many you encounter.

"SimTrippy;c-17101022" wrote:
You're right @JoAnne65 that bugs are not in and of themselves acceptable, not any more in 4 than in 3. But I do find that most of the bugs I encounter in 4 do eventually get fixed, sometimes right away in post-EP emergency patches, and sometimes 1-2 months later in big bug fix patches. Most of the bugs I ever saw in 3 are still there and can often only be fully fixed with mods (NRaas, for example). That's kind of the difference I tried to point out. It's not that I enjoy the bugs that I have, but I do see them getting fixed and I currently have barely any at all. So yes, it's a bit subjective in the end, and perhaps also depends on how many you encounter.

Quite recently this mod was brought to my attention. That was a gasp moment for me, because that’s exactly what Sims 4 is about for me and one of the reasons I’m unable to get into the game, sims just standing there doing nothing. It’s so lifeless, so... dull. Completely clueless why people constantly claim these sims are so lively and active, they aren’t in my game. So, apparently we need that mod for that and if I’ll ever open my Sims 4 game again, I’ll make sure to install it. But why hasn’t EA? I see bugs being a problem all the time here. People hoping a particular bug will be fixed, being diappointed when it’s not adressed in a next patch, being happy when it is, being disappointed when it breaks again in a next pack or patch.

I completely understand why people accept this. When you love a game you do, you’ll have to. But the excusing I really don’t understand. Not in a “then you’ll have to excuse it for Sims 3 as well” kind of way but in a “no, in Sims 4 it’s not justifiable or defensible either” kind of way.

All of these community fixes are superb, and I'm always deeply thankful when someone takes the time and effort to produce something like a simulation lag fix, but the fact that members of the community even have to do this to make the game playable for some is what gets me. It's essentially players doing what Maxis/EA should be doing in the first place. At the very least they should take these community made fixes and incorporate them into the game officially in some way.

"JoAnne65;c-17099594" wrote:
Wait, so, ... we’re all cool and understanding about bugs now? *pinches herself* *nope, not dreaming*

As far as understanding- I am still not sure who this was directed at, are you agreeing that the amount of bugs is unacceptable, and the product is not ready for release to the paying public? My comment stands. And when I said " I am also able to discuss the issues that I find unethical, and make comments so that other (potential) purchasers are aware of what, exactly, they are to expect." I meant that (potential) purchasers should be aware of what to expect (meaning: Expect, at the price these packs cost, expect far better quality, and far less bugs).

"SimChi;c-17101085" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-17099594" wrote:
Wait, so, ... we’re all cool and understanding about bugs now? *pinches herself* *nope, not dreaming*

Oh, so you thought it was cute to be condescending... Got it. As far as understanding- yes, I do, the amount of bugs is unacceptable, and the product is not ready for release to the paying public. My comment stands. And when I said " I am also able to discuss the issues that I find unethical, and make comments so that other (potential) purchasers are aware of what, exactly, they are to expect." I meant that (potential) purchasers should be aware of what to expect (meaning: Expect, at the price these packs cost, expect far better quality, and far less bugs).

I think she agrees with you :)

"PrincipleOfEntropy;c-17101075" wrote:
All of these community fixes are superb, and I'm always deeply thankful when someone takes the time and effort to produce something like a simulation lag fix, but the fact that members of the community even have to do this to make the game playable for some is what gets me. It's essentially players doing what Maxis/EA should be doing in the first place. At the very least they should take these community made fixes and incorporate them into the game officially in some way.

Completely agree, and have a tonne of respect for the community members who take time to make (free) mods to help so many other (non-coders) simmers.

I run a vanlla game. No mods or custum content, so I get to see it for what it really is. I agree that it has too many bugs and they need to be addressed. Third party mods should not be the answer to this.