I'm genuinely wondering - I see RoM getting a lot of hate for being too easy.I think I must be kinda bad at this game cause it took me a good 20ish hours to get one single sim to the top of practical magic (she only misses one spell, but she does know the final one). She hasn't maxed out anything else and knows only 5 potions so far.Was it really that much harder to level up as a witch in TS3 Supernatural? I love Supernatural so much, I thought it was an amazing EP, and it was sooo full of content. So I'm not asking to compare EP Supernatural to GP RoM, I'm ONLY asking about witches vs. spellcasters. I don't find leveling up in spellcasting to be as ridiculously easy as everyone else?Sure I don't copypasto ingredients or potions, I guess, my sims do have to make all the potions and find the right ingredients themselves. I have tried to copypasto a bunch of crystals to pay the bills but my sim overcharged in the process and still came up 1000 short.So I'm just wondering if I'm the only one that thinks these witches are actually a lot better than TS3 ones, despite really really loving TS3 witches?? I just don't see how they were that much more challenging - except for the fact that dueling for me is always super buggy in 3 and doesn't seem to work half of the time even when it should. Curious to know what you guys think!

I had a lot of fun with the witches in Sims 3, but I also used quite a few different occult mods that made them even more powerful and fun to play with. But taking the mods out of the picture, I like the witches err I mean spell caster much better in Sims 4.

The alchemy in ROM is imbalanced. There is the 1st level potion that immediately satisfies all sim's needs. And all you need is a simple apple from a local store! In TS3 there was the potion that partly satisfied energy bar and froze it for several hours. It was easy to make but anyways you had to grow Wolfsbane Flower in your garden to produce it. The more potent energy potion required a higher level of alchemy and rare ingredients.And there was no CopyPasto spell so you had to grow all the plants in your garden and constantly hunt for rare ingredients. And your sim had to be a high-level witch to satisfy all his needs with magic.Of course, if you used baby dragons from the Store, life could be much easier :wink: But the Store objects were imbalanced by default.

I love the spellcasters, they are a lot of fun and I really enjoy them a lot.Just wish I didn’t lvl up so quickly in magic. Wish I could just lock it at adept if I wanted to.

"SilentKitty;c-17245395" wrote:I love the spellcasters, they are a lot of fun and I really enjoy them a lot.Just wish I didn’t lvl up so quickly in magic. Wish I could just lock it at adept if I wanted to. I guess I must be doing it the hard way because it took like forever for my spell caster to level up.

"SimTrippy;c-17245409" wrote:"LaBlue0314;c-17245399" wrote:"SilentKitty;c-17245395" wrote:I love the spellcasters, they are a lot of fun and I really enjoy them a lot.Just wish I didn’t lvl up so quickly in magic. Wish I could just lock it at adept if I wanted to. I guess I must be doing it the hard way because it took like forever for my spell caster to level up.Yeah same here, and I'm not purposefully making it difficult either. Plus I keep forgetting to check my sim's charge, so she overcharged twice already in not much time apart, and I feel the next time I forget to check this, she might die .. so :D @Brinn I kinda agree with the apple thing I guess, but maybe I'm just not that bothered by it cause I use the "fulfill needs household" cheat all the time, so it feels less cheaty to have them drink a potion xD And honestly, if you forgot to harvest some apples before winter, and don't have your sims go to the city (which doesn't fit these guys here), and there's nothing to harvest in the realm, it can still take quite a while before you end up with an apple again. I also agree about the copypasto thing, but again, I feel I can't spam it either because that is how my sim overcharged the first time xDYou can simply buy any number of apples using a cell phone... They are also sold in ROM shops. And there is CopyPasto spell, you don't even need to grow apples.

Was it that much harder to be a witch in TS3 supernatural?

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LaBlue0314
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
I had a lot of fun with the witches in Sims 3, but I also used quite a few different occult mods that made them even more powerful and fun to play with. But taking the mods out of the picture, I like the ~~witches~~ err I mean spell caster much better in Sims 4.
Daermor
6 years ago
The alchemy in ROM is imbalanced. There is the 1st level potion that immediately satisfies all sim's needs. And all you need is a simple apple from a local store! In TS3 there was the potion that partly satisfied energy bar and froze it for several hours. It was easy to make but anyways you had to grow Wolfsbane Flower in your garden to produce it. The more potent energy potion required a higher level of alchemy and rare ingredients.

And there was no CopyPasto spell so you had to grow all the plants in your garden and constantly hunt for rare ingredients. And your sim had to be a high-level witch to satisfy all his needs with magic.

Of course, if you used baby dragons from the Store, life could be much easier :wink: But the Store objects were imbalanced by default.
SilentK008
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
I love the spellcasters, they are a lot of fun and I really enjoy them a lot.

Just wish I didn’t lvl up so quickly in magic. Wish I could just lock it at adept if I wanted to.
LaBlue0314
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
"SilentKitty;c-17245395" wrote:
I love the spellcasters, they are a lot of fun and I really enjoy them a lot.

Just wish I didn’t lvl up so quickly in magic. Wish I could just lock it at adept if I wanted to.

I guess I must be doing it the hard way because it took like forever for my spell caster to level up.
Joanne_Snow
Legend
6 years ago
"LaBlue0314;c-17245399" wrote:
"SilentKitty;c-17245395" wrote:
I love the spellcasters, they are a lot of fun and I really enjoy them a lot.

Just wish I didn’t lvl up so quickly in magic. Wish I could just lock it at adept if I wanted to.

I guess I must be doing it the hard way because it took like forever for my spell caster to level up.

Yeah same here, and I'm not purposefully making it difficult either. Plus I keep forgetting to check my sim's charge, so she overcharged twice already in not much time apart, and I feel the next time I forget to check this, she might die .. so :D

@Brinn I kinda agree with the apple thing I guess, but maybe I'm just not that bothered by it cause I use the "fulfill needs household" cheat all the time, so it feels less cheaty to have them drink a potion xD And honestly, if you forgot to harvest some apples before winter, and don't have your sims go to the city (which doesn't fit these guys here), and there's nothing to harvest in the realm, it can still take quite a while before you end up with an apple again. I also agree about the copypasto thing, but again, I feel I can't spam it either because that is how my sim overcharged the first time xD
Daermor
6 years ago
"SimTrippy;c-17245409" wrote:
"LaBlue0314;c-17245399" wrote:
"SilentKitty;c-17245395" wrote:
I love the spellcasters, they are a lot of fun and I really enjoy them a lot.

Just wish I didn’t lvl up so quickly in magic. Wish I could just lock it at adept if I wanted to.

I guess I must be doing it the hard way because it took like forever for my spell caster to level up.

Yeah same here, and I'm not purposefully making it difficult either. Plus I keep forgetting to check my sim's charge, so she overcharged twice already in not much time apart, and I feel the next time I forget to check this, she might die .. so :D

@Brinn I kinda agree with the apple thing I guess, but maybe I'm just not that bothered by it cause I use the "fulfill needs household" cheat all the time, so it feels less cheaty to have them drink a potion xD And honestly, if you forgot to harvest some apples before winter, and don't have your sims go to the city (which doesn't fit these guys here), and there's nothing to harvest in the realm, it can still take quite a while before you end up with an apple again. I also agree about the copypasto thing, but again, I feel I can't spam it either because that is how my sim overcharged the first time xD

You can simply buy any number of apples using a cell phone... They are also sold in ROM shops. And there is CopyPasto spell, you don't even need to grow apples.
Joanne_Snow
Legend
6 years ago
"Brinn;c-17245413" wrote:
"SimTrippy;c-17245409" wrote:
"LaBlue0314;c-17245399" wrote:
"SilentKitty;c-17245395" wrote:
I love the spellcasters, they are a lot of fun and I really enjoy them a lot.

Just wish I didn’t lvl up so quickly in magic. Wish I could just lock it at adept if I wanted to.

I guess I must be doing it the hard way because it took like forever for my spell caster to level up.

Yeah same here, and I'm not purposefully making it difficult either. Plus I keep forgetting to check my sim's charge, so she overcharged twice already in not much time apart, and I feel the next time I forget to check this, she might die .. so :D

@Brinn I kinda agree with the apple thing I guess, but maybe I'm just not that bothered by it cause I use the "fulfill needs household" cheat all the time, so it feels less cheaty to have them drink a potion xD And honestly, if you forgot to harvest some apples before winter, and don't have your sims go to the city (which doesn't fit these guys here), and there's nothing to harvest in the realm, it can still take quite a while before you end up with an apple again. I also agree about the copypasto thing, but again, I feel I can't spam it either because that is how my sim overcharged the first time xD

You can simply buy any number of apples using a cell phone... They are also sold in ROM shops. And there is CopyPasto spell, you don't even need to grow apples.

They're not always available in the RoM shop though are they? And I never really buy anything with the phone :joy: so yeah you're right, I totally forgot about that. But again, I don't really use copypasto for harvestables. Everything my sims use needs to be either grown or bought from shops. I limit the use copypasto to when it's absolutely necessary, as I do get how that one is a bit cheaty. Maybe it would've been enough if they hadn't included it.
Daermor
6 years ago
In the Sims games, the most challengable thing for me is to reach some goals (like maxing a career, or completing an aspiration, or exploring something, or building relationships) while doing sim's everyday activities and fulfilling their needs. Of course, it takes much more time than just training for 24 hours, for example, using cheats to keep the sim nice and clean. But in the ROM magic system, there is such a cheat, and it's completely legal. It kills all the challenge of the sim's everyday routine. The club system from Get Together has the same "cheat", btw (at least it's easy to avoid the club perk). But if my sim is learning spellcasting and alchemy, all the powerful spells are welcome, I can't just ignore a "cheaty" potion. Besides, I'd like to have a potion (like the one in TS3) that helps me satisfy my sim's needs, I'd just want it to be less powerful and harder to create.
I'm not against the ability to fulfill all the need bars immediately, but I'd like it to be a reward for a really hard-to-complete achievement (like writing the Books of Life), and not for becoming a level 1 spellcaster.
Joanne_Snow
Legend
6 years ago
"Brinn;c-17245431" wrote:
In the Sims games, the most challengable thing for me is to reach some goals (like maxing a career, or completing an aspiration, or exploring something, or building relationships) while doing sim's everyday activities and fulfilling their needs. Of course, it takes much more time than just training for 24 hours, for example, using cheats to keep the sim nice and clean. But in the ROM magic system, there is such a cheat, and it's completely legal. It kills all the challenge of the sim's everyday routine. The club system from Get Together has the same "cheat", btw (at least it's easy to avoid the club perk). But if my sim is learning spellcasting and alchemy, all the powerful spells are welcome, I can't just ignore a "cheaty" potion. Besides, I'd like to have a potion (like the one in TS3) that helps me satisfy my sim's needs, I'd just want it to be less powerful and harder to create.
I'm not against the ability to fulfill all the need bars immediately, but I'd like it to be a reward for a really hard-to-complete achievement (like writing the Books of Life), and not for becoming a level 1 spellcaster.

Yes I totally see where you're coming from. Seems like the best thing they could do is give us the potion early on - but change the ingredients from one apple to, say, one apple and a certain rare kind of frog / plant / crystal. Something we can't buy everywhere.

I have to admit though that I'm glad it's not herbalism difficult - because I hate herbalism. It's such a neat skill, but having to go to GF and hoping to find whatever berry or frog I need has always annoyed me so much, I wouldn't ever do it. I wonder if that has something to do with the ingredients being somewhat "easy" to find and not limited to the realm, because I'm not the only one who has given that kind of feedback.

But still, I wouldn't mind them upping the requirements for that potion, or making our magical charge soar even quicker for spells like Copypasto, to really make spamming them useless as a tactic.
Daermor
6 years ago
"Simmify;c-17245445" wrote:
The Sims has never been a hard game. It's just people who are determined to talk bad on sims 4. But it's not overly easy either.

Nobody talks bad on Sims 4 here. And nobody states that it must be a hard game. I'm just saying that alchemy in ROM is imbalanced comparing to TS3: Supernatural.

"SimTrippy;c-17245434" wrote:
"Brinn;c-17245431" wrote:
In the Sims games, the most challengable thing for me is to reach some goals (like maxing a career, or completing an aspiration, or exploring something, or building relationships) while doing sim's everyday activities and fulfilling their needs. Of course, it takes much more time than just training for 24 hours, for example, using cheats to keep the sim nice and clean. But in the ROM magic system, there is such a cheat, and it's completely legal. It kills all the challenge of the sim's everyday routine. The club system from Get Together has the same "cheat", btw (at least it's easy to avoid the club perk). But if my sim is learning spellcasting and alchemy, all the powerful spells are welcome, I can't just ignore a "cheaty" potion. Besides, I'd like to have a potion (like the one in TS3) that helps me satisfy my sim's needs, I'd just want it to be less powerful and harder to create.
I'm not against the ability to fulfill all the need bars immediately, but I'd like it to be a reward for a really hard-to-complete achievement (like writing the Books of Life), and not for becoming a level 1 spellcaster.

Yes I totally see where you're coming from. Seems like the best thing they could do is give us the potion early on - but change the ingredients from one apple to, say, one apple and a certain rare kind of frog / plant / crystal. Something we can't buy everywhere.

I have to admit though that I'm glad it's not herbalism difficult - because I hate herbalism. It's such a neat skill, but having to go to GF and hoping to find whatever berry or frog I need has always annoyed me so much, I wouldn't ever do it. I wonder if that has something to do with the ingredients being somewhat "easy" to find and not limited to the realm, because I'm not the only one who has given that kind of feedback.

But still, I wouldn't mind them upping the requirements for that potion, or making our magical charge soar even quicker for spells like Copypasto, to really make spamming them useless as a tactic.

Yeah, the problem of herbalism is that almost every potion needs rare ingredients (bugs) that can be found only in GF. It would be OK if such insects were spread all over the world or if only the most potent herbalism potions required them... But now, if you are playing as a spellcaster-herbalist, the problem is solved: find an ingredient just once and CopyPasto it :smile: