What are your thoughts on the complaining?

"amp107;c-17696017" wrote:
I concur. I tend to find something I enjoy out of all DLC released. With the newest EP especially it seems like Maxis is trying to make everyone happy. I've seen countless wishlists that included a snowy world, a true Asian inspired world, and snow sports and Maxis has found a way to give us all three at once. I got super excited when I saw the trailer and came to the forums to geek out with some fellow simmers only to see the recent discussions page is bombarded with complaints only threads :( I guess that's just the nature of social media and the internet these days.

I'm afraid that's the state of the world, these days. We're all at each others' throats. I, too, find the endless complaint threads a nuisance. But, people have a right to voice their opinions whether I agree with them or not. Sometimes, it's just a matter of getting that something off of your chest, you know?

"bixters;c-17698575" wrote:

"afternoonbaboon;c-17698563" wrote:
I added a tad more to my comment to make this seem more inviting and less of a rant. I hope it brings clarification to the intention of this thread. :)

No offense, but the title of your thread isn't very inviting. I complain because I care about the game and where it's headed. And while I do have fun complaining, it's more because I'm worried about it.

Just made a third and (hopefully) final edit. I hope it's not too late to adjust this thread and make it as inviting as possible.

I gotta say I like the trend that's happening of having a dedicated complaint thread about an upcoming pack as well as a positive thread. I know which I won't post in that way. I know more where my happy place will be also.

"Hermitgirl;c-17698816" wrote:
I gotta say I like the trend that's happening of having a dedicated complaint thread about an upcoming pack as well as a positive thread. I know which I won't post in that way. I know more where my happy place will be also.

Agree, that I do like the dedicated complaining threads too, because it keeps the negativity somewhat contained but there are still a few happy crashers.

Everyone has their own opinions, were not always going too agree and that's okay, yes personally attacking the developers is not okay that's a different story, the sims has always been about expressing yourself creativity, imagination, it's the type of game there is no right or wrong way too play it, if you enjoy everything in the sims 4 enjoy it, voice how you enjoy it and let other voice theirs whatever way, if they dont like something in the game why should it bother you? Happy simming everyone ?, hope yous are all doing okay in this weird time, were all in this together

"simgirl1010;c-17698582" wrote:

"APotts;c-17698437" wrote:

"simgirl1010;c-17698284" wrote:
Well if you see a complaint thread moved to Feedback you can thank me because I'll flag it and let the moderators decide.

So I guess you are okay if people start flagging the purely positive threads too, since they are technically positive feedback as opposed to negative feedback?

I don't mean that to sound mean, and I respect that you enjoy the game and want to stand up for it. I just think it is wrong to try to control people you disagree with by flagging them. Flags should be saved for cases where people are breaking rules, not because you have a different opinion.

Threads that discuss how a feature should be better, or threads that discuss features the game should have are feedback. Those are the threads I flag. 90% of the time they are critical but that's not the reason I flag them. I'll also flag a positive or neutral thread if it's in the wrong section. I've even flagged threads in Feedback to be moved to general discussion.

Also wanted to add it is a rule.

Post in the right place. Check the section you're posting in before submitting. If a post is in the wrong place we might move or remove it.

Fair enough. I didn't get that from your original comment.

I still feel flagging should be saved for true offenders, but it's a free forum, so if you need to flag that is your business.

I have never flagged another Simmer before or will I in the future. People that pay for a product have a right to state their pleasure and displeasure. As far as the negative threads, I guess it being in general is okay. And if it is not then positive threads also belong in feedback. I usually stay away from the positive threads, because I find many things not so positive about the game. I still open Sims 4 and build more than anything in game now. But everyone has a right to their own opinion. IF this game was free, then maybe opinions in this forum could be controlled more (but even F2P has negative opinions). I do not owe EA anything, I bought their products they owe me working products. That is not an insult, it is a fact. And if people think about it, the more EA listens to ALL their consumers, the more happy everyone becomes... The more money they get. I love Sims, have since the very first one. If I complain, or give negative feedback.. there is a reason for it. It does not mean I hate Sims, it means I find something wrong with it.

"gamekitten;c-17698972" wrote:
I have never flagged another Simmer before or will I in the future.

Neither have I. It’s not my job to help the moderators organize their forum. And I can’t imagine caring enough whether or not a thread has been posted to the “correct” subforum. I’ll reserve use of the flag feature for extreme circumstances, such as illegal, explicit, or dangerous content.

"SimmerGeorge;c-17698209" wrote:
Many people suggest that there should be a category just for complainers so they don't appear in general discussions but I personally see that as a bit dangerous because it isolates opinions.
The reason why some people post criticism, especially in the forums is to have a discussion with others who have a similar or a completely different point of view. Filtering those threads out would be completely counterproductive and unfair. It's like telling people their opinion should only be voiced around people who believe the same and voicing it anywhere else is against the rules. Imagine that in real life.

Also one big issue we have with the internet nowadays is the fact that everything we see is filtered automatically to be to our liking with cookies etc.
Imagine if people who like the pack only get to see threads from people who have the same opinion. It would be as if another opinion doesn't exist and would create a completely false image.
Same goes the other way around, imagine if people who dislike the pack only got to see threads from people who also dislike it. People would just think everyone or the majority dislikes the pack.
Filtering out opinions we don't like is like closing or eyes and ears to anything we don't like and acting like it doesn't exist. And that's a very dangerous practice. Not just on the forums but in life in general.

I do agree with that. I don't like segregating Simmers and if anything it has caused more issues over the past six years than help it. I miss when the Sims community was actually a community, but it has been far from that even since the Sims 3 days when the yibSims was introduced which just started the whole issue with entitlement of some Simmers having superiority over others. If anything none of us do regardless if we are a game changer, a playtester, or gamer. But odd there is like class system now which really there shouldn't be. Right now I really don't see a difference from the Star Wars lore and what the Sims community is going through because it constantly feels like battles between the Jedi and the Sith and I wish people could accept that not everyone wants to debate or fight over high school drama nonsense. Really felt like that way when I saw Simmers judging over what other Simmers wear in other countries like we are back in high school or something. It is like who cares if they dress differently than we do, who are we to judge since what we wear probably looks different to them too. I see this happening with opinions too. I think it is healthy to be different and people who say otherwise, well there are thousands of years of history to show what has happened when world powers try to force others for sameness, why there is that saying Rome fell in a day. Power is meaningless and temporary and can easily fall in a literal day. Probably why there is that saying divide and conquer too because of the Sims community being so divided now, any gaming company can swoop in and end the Sims community like what happened with SimCity. Sims was just a side game of SimCity and look what happened to them. Same could happen with the Sims too, our community could easily die and kind of has already. Honestly our community is kind of a joke to the rest of gaming communities now with frequent comments of "Do people still play that?" Then again the world is kind of falling apart anyways, so Sims probably will too. Might as well enjoy the ride while it lasts.

Anyway after all of that, I have never had an issue with criticism being in general discussion. The meaning of the word is actually meant to be inclusive, "involving, relating to, or applicable to every member of a class, kind, or group" "not confined by specialization or careful limitation" source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/general while others are using it by this definition "belonging to the common nature of a group of like individuals" "holding superior rank or taking precedence over others similarly titled". The second one just makes me think of this song so I do amuse myself thinking of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXf0o2d-W5w

I think that is with the Sims too, no one knows the identity of what the Sims really is just like with the definition of general, it means different things to different people.

"APotts;c-17698437" wrote:

"simgirl1010;c-17698284" wrote:
Well if you see a complaint thread moved to Feedback you can thank me because I'll flag it and let the moderators decide.

So I guess you are okay if people start flagging the purely positive threads too, since they are technically positive feedback as opposed to negative feedback?

I don't mean that to sound mean, and I respect that you enjoy the game and want to stand up for it. I just think it is wrong to try to control people you disagree with by flagging them. Flags should be saved for cases where people are breaking rules, not because you have a different opinion.

I have reported both equally myself. If someone acts up in any thread, I flag it. But then again how I handle when I mod on Twitch too. Couldn't care less if someone labels themselves as "positive" or "negative". They can call themselves the queen of the Sims for all I care, still doesn't make them immune from following laws and rules. Dealing with that type of behavior with some discrimination I have recently faced actually with someone trying to lie themselves out of breaking state laws. Quite interesting what people will say to keep being "right" in a situation.