What are your thoughts on the complaining?

"Sharonia;c-17696316" wrote:
Not really. A forum is a place to discuss and options differ from one person to another. I think people should be free to post whatever they want as long as it’s respectful and not against the rules. If people are unhappy with something they should be allowed to express their opinions just as much as a player that is happy can also do the same.

The forums would be a fairly boring place if we were all sunshine and roses and shared the exact same opinions.

It just shouldn't bleed into every subject. Whenever someone tries to post something positive, immediately it gets swarmed with negative comments, more complaining blah blah blah. "Oh how dare you try to be positive" is the message I get from that.

"afternoonbaboon;d-982646" wrote:
EDIT: typo

It might just be me, but is anyone just sick of the complaining that comes out of this forum? Seriously, are you guys actually shocked when we get minuscule gameplay features? I have my own problems with the game (Selling out to Disney? Why!?) but, I'm honestly just grateful we have decent parts of the game. The six different complaint threads for every released pack to date (as well as the base-game) popping up in my feed is exhausting. Maxis is probably trying to please us as best they can, and it's most likely really discouraging to have such vocal negativity around projects they've worked on. Where is the positivity on the main level of the forum?


Feel free to add your piece, or get into a light hearted debate with me on the issue of complaining.

I don't understand your feedback. I am not grateful for decent parts of a game. It's a business, if a business pulls shanagans I'm probably going to say something about a shoddy money grab and or work passed off as new. I don't have a 'feed' I just look at threads I'm interested in. Normally, I'm never in the What Happened in Your Game Today threads because the game is buggy and I no longer play it. I can't squeal over a new shelf when there are problems with older packs that keep reoccurring and or remain unfixed or come back over and over. It's funny how people look at things as if Maxis is trying to please us. I don't even understand what that means, uh, no, it's a business, Maxis is trying to make money regardless if anyone is unhappy or not, the bottom line is money always and forever. 'It's discouraging to have such vocal negativity around projects they've worked on?' What does that even mean from the perspective of a customer? You didn't work on the projects, I don't understand the codependency to defend any project others may not like, nor think is worth the money or can see reused assets. Some people can't see spending money on reused assets resold as new. I really don't understand the complaining about the complaints it's not like TS4 is some major new thing that would affect a life it's a game. If people can see the reused assets and bugs and glitches I don't understand why they must first say 'Don't get me wrong, I love TS4, but...' before they can complain. That's shows a passive aggressive personality. Like I hate this or that but I'm buying it anyway. That is the very heart of passive aggressiveness but people want to complain about anyone else who complains and call them negative. I don't owe Maxis anything, people are the reason they are still in business. Period. Different feedback is subjective but I'm not talking about subjective feedback, I find it amusing so many want to defend a game as if it's a person or country or thing that is alive. Do you go into McDonald's and say I hate your Big Mac but I'm buying it anyway..., why would anyone do that. No, you might say remove the pickle, remove the ketchup and any lettuce and I might buy it.

ETA: I am amused so many don't even realise that in the last few years of any game the heat gets turned up as the bugs increase and the engine and code becomes a mess. It's been true for all of them. It's EA's reputation to milk games forever then leave them high and dry but they add so much by the time a game ends to be replaced with a new version of it, the others have to be fixed by modders because EA and Maxis skip town and leave them hanging with buggy, unfinished games. Some here think this negativity is just directed at TS4, it's been true for every one of them. It's only the TS4 players that don't remember this of TS3 or TS2. It's way past time to retire this game for the very reasons people are complaining perhaps more than usual. It's going on seven years and bugs remain from seven years ago. And people dread patches rather than wait with joy, the things they need fixed are never fixed. It was true of TS3 and TS2 in their last waning years. Most can see the writing on the wall if they have been around for very long. And btw, it's TS4 players who are complaining and game changers it's not the people who have quit this game if you know who is still playing, it's those people (still buying) who are doing the most as of late.

Who opened the door on all this? Maxis, they said on day two or three, they had built and engine that could make people's dreams come true, even added all their dreams...people have been waiting for six years to see that happen. They gave them a chance, but those dreams haven't happened. What would anyone expect if someone says I can make all your dreams come true. Statements like that means they should deliver, tick tock, tick tock. ;)

I loved the Vampire pack (subjective) though so many were screaming how they hated it, it was fanstastic to me...didn't stop me at all from having fun with it. I don't need to belong to a clique that either likes or hates something. And neither do you. But you know what, that pack, inparticular, gets broken over and over....should anyone not say they are sick of it? It's like they own that pack but don't play it, because of bugs and have to buy a new one and hope it's not broken next week.

Do you keep taking your car back to the same garage to repair the same problem without finally losing your patience and ask what the heck have you been doing with all my money?! lol It's the same difference to me. A product is a product and I don't sugar coat anything after the upteenth time. But we always see, but I don't have that problem, so why are you complaining...or here is a mod to fix it, only to be broken with a new patch and wait on modder to also fix a fix. How long do gamers put up with this stuff.

BTW, the new pack looks fun, I'm sure people will really like it, but it's not going to stop me from pointing out reused animations and themes already in several previous packs just wraped up and resold as new.

Having complaints is a natural human reaction, just like the opposite is. What really gets me is people not realizing the irony and hypocrisy of having a complaints thread about complainers. ;) You have to ask yourself WHY you get so upset over someone having a different opinion than yourself. Why would someone else disliking something ruin YOUR enjoyment of it? Because it doesn't.
I've enjoyed a lot of things about the game that others have hated, and I haven't taken the difference of opinion personally - instead I've been grateful that I can enjoy something others cannot, and still I hope that whatever that person is not enjoying will be fixed, so they CAN enjoy it.

I know there are probably a lot of young people on the forums that don't have the maturity to handle other people's emotions, but I'm still always surprised that there's so much tension sometimes. It's like people revert to sandbox behavior (pun not intended) and forgetting to be adults.
Do I feel a certain way sometimes when people praise a feature that I personally think is bonkers, or vice versa? Yes, but I KNOW that is MY problem, not theirs. I wouldn't WANT people to shut up just because they think differently than me or experience the game differently. That's silly.

I could go on about what the psychological reasons are for being so upset, but honestly it's not my job to shrink you or counsel you. Just be a grown up about it - and if you're not a grown up yet, just practice. :*

"SimsLady2000;c-17696991" wrote:
I am definitely tired of threads dedicated to complaining but at least I can avoid those by not opening them up. What I really hate is when those really negative complainers leave their complaining threads and air their complaints on threads that are supposed to be positive or neutral. I am sure we all heard you on the last 5 threads you visited. You don't have to repeat your complaints on every thread you visit. You are barking up the wrong tree is what I am saying.

"MidnightAura;c-17696700" wrote:
Why do complaints bother you? It’s not like you made the game so are personally insulted by the (quite often) fair critique. Don’t take it personal. Like what you like. Let’s others like or dislike what they like. As long as people are respectful they shouldn’t be silenced because some people don’t like anything that isn’t positive.

Yea, unfortunately, people who desperately want you to agree with them tend to be more negative. They use the word "we" in every post like they are speaking for all of us. That in and of itself is disrespectful and incorrect. They don't speak for all of us. I wish the forums would create a complaint category so complainers can hang out with their brethren and not seep their negativity into every thread. And you seem a little put off that people are starting to complain about the negativity. Don't we have a voice too?

I’m not put off, I just don’t understand the mindset that I described in my earlier post. It’s a forum people have different opinions and that’s okay. If there are a lot of negative threads consider why? I remember this forum pre toddlers, it wasn’t fun but the people complaining had every right too. If people want to be positive and staart a 101 threads about how awesome the sims 4 is, let them. I don’t care. I mean I adore the sims 1-3. I truely don’t care if people hate it.

Also I think a complaints category would not be helpful and is kinda rude to suggest it so.

I think some complainings fair and good, but some people in the community seem to genuinely dislike the game and go on and on about how much better the older editions are and it's just like why are you still here? Just play your favorite edition instead.

I also feel like there's a certain section of the community who think other players don't matter and everything should be for their play style - how dare somebody else get a pack they like instead of you! It's like to some people it doesn't matter what anyone else wants because they want farming and their opinion is more important for some reason. I don't mean this as a personal attack to those who want farming as it really isn't everyone and this is only a small portion of players who are like this but I've seen that kind of thing going round a lot and I really don't like that section of the community. It's kind of an attitude of "Why are they wasting time working on stuff for this side of the community when I want ----" yknow. Idk. I like that they add variety of content and not everything is gonna be for everyone and that's a good thing in my eyes.

"Cinebar;c-17697013" wrote:

"afternoonbaboon;d-982646" wrote:
EDIT: typo

It might just be me, but is anyone just sick of the complaining that comes out of this forum? Seriously, are you guys actually shocked when we get minuscule gameplay features? I have my own problems with the game (Selling out to Disney? Why!?) but, I'm honestly just grateful we have decent parts of the game. The six different complaint threads for every released pack to date (as well as the base-game) popping up in my feed is exhausting. Maxis is probably trying to please us as best they can, and it's most likely really discouraging to have such vocal negativity around projects they've worked on. Where is the positivity on the main level of the forum?


Feel free to add your piece, or get into a light hearted debate with me on the issue of complaining.

I don't understand your feedback. I am not grateful for decent parts of a game. It's a business, if a business pulls shanagans I'm probably going to say something about a shoddy money grab and or work passed off as new. I don't have a 'feed' I just look at threads I'm interested in. Normally, I'm never in the What Happened in Your Game Today threads because the game is buggy and I no longer play it. I can't squeal over a new shelf when there are problems with older packs that keep reoccurring and or remain unfixed or come back over and over. It's funny how people look at things as if Maxis is trying to please us. I don't even understand what that means, uh, no, it's a business, Maxis is trying to make money regardless if anyone is unhappy or not, the bottom line is money always and forever. 'It's discouraging to have such vocal negativity around projects they've worked on?' What does that even mean from the perspective of a customer? You didn't work on the projects, I don't understand the codependency to defend any project others may not like, nor think is worth the money or can see reused assets. Some people can't see spending money on reused assets resold as new. I really don't understand the complaining about the complaints it's not like TS4 is some major new thing that would affect a life it's a game. If people can see the reused assets and bugs and glitches I don't understand why they must first say 'Don't get me wrong, I love TS4, but...' before they can complain. That's shows a passive aggressive personality. Like I hate this or that but I'm buying it anyway. That is the very heart of passive aggressiveness but people want to complain about anyone else who complains and call them negative. I don't owe Maxis anything, people are the reason they are still in business. Period. Different feedback is subjective but I'm not talking about subjective feedback, I find it amusing so many want to defend a game as if it's a person or country or thing that is alive. Do you go into McDonald's and say I hate your Big Mac but I'm buying it anyway..., why would anyone do that. No, you might say remove the pickle, remove the ketchup and any lettuce and I might buy it.

ETA: I am amused so many don't even realise that in the last few years of any game the heat gets turned up as the bugs increase and the engine and code becomes a mess. It's been true for all of them. It's EA's reputation to milk games forever then leave them high and dry but they add so much by the time a game ends to be replaced with a new version of it, the others have to be fixed by modders because EA and Maxis skip town and leave them hanging with buggy, unfinished games. Some here think this negativity is just directed at TS4, it's been true for every one of them. It's only the TS4 players that don't remember this of TS3 or TS2. It's way past time to retire this game for the very reasons people are complaining perhaps more than usual. It's going on seven years and bugs remain from seven years ago. And people dread patches rather than wait with joy, the things they need fixed are never fixed. It was true of TS3 and TS2 in their last waning years. Most can see the writing on the wall if they have been around for very long. And btw, it's TS4 players who are complaining and game changers it's not the people who have quit this game if you know who is still playing, it's those people (still buying) who are doing the most as of late.

Who opened the door on all this? Maxis, they said on day two or three, they had built and engine that could make people's dreams come true, even added all their dreams...people have been waiting for six years to see that happen. They gave them a chance, but those dreams haven't happened. What would anyone expect if someone says I can make all your dreams come true. Statements like that means they should deliver, tick tock, tick tock. ;)

I totally agree. I am sick to the back teeth of being told “Be grateful” anytime we get crumbs from Maxis. They aren’t doing us a favour. They don’t work for free. My Husband is a game dev and no one in that franchise community ever pulls that card. Never.

I don't mind complain threads as much as the amount of them. Same thing with positivity threads though. It'd be nice if there was ONE for each of them so you don't have to read the same thing over and over again in different threads. The recent discussions are flooded with them and new threads keep being made. It drowns out other threads.

I do sometimes feel like some people are more vocal about their complaints than others but I try to ignore their posts so as not to let it get me down. The negativity spiral gets to be exhausting sometimes.

To be honest, I don't get the intense need to gripe about things I don't like. I might make a comment to my SO when I don't like something, but I still try to find the positive and run with that. It would honestly wear me out if I had to write endless posts about things I disliked.

Did you really make a thread to complain about complainers? Cant get more ironic than this.

i dont mind the complaning. sometimes people have things to complain about. sometimes people need to vent their frustration with the game. everyone has a right to their own opinions. if someone isnt happy they have a right to voice their concerns. if someone loves the content then they have a right to uplift it. but what i dont agree with is when you whether negative or positive attack someone who thinks differently. if you dont like certain threads you dont have to read them. ive had my share of complaints and im sure ill have new ones in the future. i enjoy reading both happy thoughts and critisism about the game. cuz i understand where everyone is coming from even if i dont agree with it myself. i get why some people feel how they do.

"SimsLady2000;c-17696991" wrote:
I am definitely tired of threads dedicated to complaining but at least I can avoid those by not opening them up. What I really hate is when those really negative complainers leave their complaining threads and air their complaints on threads that are supposed to be positive or neutral. I am sure we all heard you on the last 5 threads you visited. You don't have to repeat your complaints on every thread you visit. You are barking up the wrong tree is what I am saying.

"MidnightAura;c-17696700" wrote:
Why do complaints bother you? It’s not like you made the game so are personally insulted by the (quite often) fair critique. Don’t take it personal. Like what you like. Let’s others like or dislike what they like. As long as people are respectful they shouldn’t be silenced because some people don’t like anything that isn’t positive.

Yea, unfortunately, people who desperately want you to agree with them tend to be more negative. They use the word "we" in every post like they are speaking for all of us. That in and of itself is disrespectful and incorrect. They don't speak for all of us. I wish the forums would create a complaint category so complainers can hang out with their brethren and not seep their negativity into every thread. And you seem a little put off that people are starting to complain about the negativity. Don't we have a voice too?

They did, it's called feedback and or specualtion sometimes, but defenders rush in to those to defend a game that is sinking with every pack, into bugville.