Would you be okay with more EPs without worlds?

I am going to say it really depends. If it means that EP is really ood and maybe we get two EPs a year or if it has a lot of game play value and it is really packed with new things to do, then I am fine if we don't get worlds with some (especially since we can move around and travel with). If they have more to do like different venues, have swimming in the ocean, etc...then cool. I will take a EP like that with out a world.

Plus sometimes we do get small worlds with Game packs (both vacation worlds and worlds we can live in even if small). I am hoping that the next world would be a fully functional beach-they can bring back swimming in the ocean, sunburns and tanning, etc...stuff that we are missing. Plus maybe houseboats again. Even if like City Life where apartments are in that world, I wouldn't mind houseboats just in one world if it is well made. As I said, I do like how we can move around so easily and some things do make more sense depending on the type of world (though I won't complain if they make it we can build them anywhere). Because of that, I usually just keep like one museum, bar, club, etc....and remove others if necessary. Now if we couldn't just go world to world, it would be more of a problem.

I am not worried about space as I just tend to kick out pre-made sims and add my own. Don't care if they are homeless or whatever as I rarely play with pre-mades. It isn't so much I hate them as some are really cool, I just find it more fun playing with sims I make or sims based off some of favorite characters or series.

As others have pointed out, it really depends upon the pack.

With some packs, I'm admittedly still exploring some of the "new" content that came with them as unfortunately, their releases often coincide with when I'm at my busiest and don't have as much time to play or I have to wait for sales in order to afford some of them.

I love most of the new worlds we've been given (especially as someone who is really into building and decorating)--but I can also appreciate it when we receive a pack where there isn't a new world, but lots of new gameplay or just content. In those situations, it gives me the option to really explore what's new and focus on that and my existing households.

I can also see how/why it would take the devs so long with each new world as I can imagine (outside of the length of time it must take to build/decorate lots or do the animations or create hidden lots) it must take a great deal of preparation to come up with them and their respective concepts to say nothing of having to map them out and deal with all the logistics and then the technical aspects that must come with it to say nothing of the graphics. I don't know how many people are on their team at this point, but that has to be resource intense on its own!

"@gummybear0724;c-16512167" wrote:
No, I am running out of room. I need more space.

Just out of curiosity, we have over 200 lots in The Sims 4 right now. Do you actively play with every lot?

It’s just, a lot of people who say they’ve run out of space, then go onto say things like “I don’t bulldoze EA lots” or “I only have one or two packs” which means that even if they added more worlds in TS4, would people still have access to them or make use of them?

I know that when I was playing, I realised there was so many lots I didn’t even use that I’d built because they didn’t serve a purpose. So while I had them on the map, I never used them and wasted space .

still in every world it feels like alot is missing so i prefer EPs that bring new content and gameplay to all worlds, except for one vacation/island/travel EP.

id rather have them place open schools and university in the existing worlds than make a new world to place only those inside. yet it seems like the engine cant handle more venues per world and we will be stuck with a handfull venues divided between private and public.

I think every EP should a have a new world OR add to all existing worlds, like Seasons does. If for example, there would be a pack that would open up all water in all worlds and make it swimmable and expand the maps that way, I wouldn't really need it to have a new world, because they put all that work in all the existing worlds. If an EP didn't have a new world or a transformation of all existing worlds, I'd be very confused why it's considered an EP when it gives us less features than a GP. I'm already confused about the distinction between EPs and GPs.

"jackjack_k;c-16510646" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16510613" wrote:
There's no such thing as off-map lots in TS4.

Well they don't appear in the UI but the team still needs to make a surrounding neighborhood for them. Magnolia Promenade and the career lots aren't recycled maps. They just used the world props of the already made worlds. GTW came with 4 neighborhoods technically but I guess making the actual ui maps for those can come out as expensive according to a simguru.

Honestly I think a new world should be made if it makes sense and/or if the budget allows for it.

In packs like Parenthood a new world doesn't make any sense because they are just extending gameplay related to the sims themselves. They didn't add any new significant venues or new active careers nor it revolves solely around a world (like CL).

Off map lots like the Hospital etc meaning they don’t need a map UI which the Guru’s claim eat away the budget.

I call them recycled because they’re existing assests rearranged to look like a new place.

Most of the work in worlds in TS4 come from creating all the assets needed, I doubt rearranging them is too hard.
(If you didn’t know, both Mag Prom and The Hospital area reuse Willow Creek backdrops (less obvious than Newcrest) and the Science Lab is just on a flat square of sand terrain).

That’s true! But that same theory could be said for Get Together since that pack only focuses on tools on the Sims and what they can do.
Or Cats & Dogs since the only thing Brindleton Bay offers Pets is a fountain for Cats (also in Build Mode), Pet Cementary (could have been a lot), and walking tracks by the beach (the other two don’t really offer walking tracks).

So really, C&D and GT didn’t *techincally* need worlds either and both were light on actual gameplay.

The terrain object is the biggest component to the maps in this game. They can’t be rearranged. The maps for the hospital/police station, and science center reuse decorative assets (block buildings, props, VFX, etc), but the world object is a completely different design that had to be created from scratch. It’s definitely not like Newcrest - that is where you can see how little rearranging can be done. If something needs to be changed, then new pieces have to be created to fit specifically where they are needed. Newcrest features basically the exact same design as 3 of the neighborhoods from Willow Creek. The GTW neighborhoods have completely different designs, even MP has an entirely different design. Reusing textures, and props isn’t really recycling an entire map.

It really just depends on what the EP is adding. I'm okay with no world for Seasons because it has so many other features to make up for it. But if the EP doesn't add that much, having a new world makes me more likely to buy the pack.

"@drake_mccarty;c-16513495" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16510646" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16510613" wrote:
There's no such thing as off-map lots in TS4.

Well they don't appear in the UI but the team still needs to make a surrounding neighborhood for them. Magnolia Promenade and the career lots aren't recycled maps. They just used the world props of the already made worlds. GTW came with 4 neighborhoods technically but I guess making the actual ui maps for those can come out as expensive according to a simguru.

Honestly I think a new world should be made if it makes sense and/or if the budget allows for it.

In packs like Parenthood a new world doesn't make any sense because they are just extending gameplay related to the sims themselves. They didn't add any new significant venues or new active careers nor it revolves solely around a world (like CL).

Off map lots like the Hospital etc meaning they don’t need a map UI which the Guru’s claim eat away the budget.

I call them recycled because they’re existing assests rearranged to look like a new place.

Most of the work in worlds in TS4 come from creating all the assets needed, I doubt rearranging them is too hard.
(If you didn’t know, both Mag Prom and The Hospital area reuse Willow Creek backdrops (less obvious than Newcrest) and the Science Lab is just on a flat square of sand terrain).

That’s true! But that same theory could be said for Get Together since that pack only focuses on tools on the Sims and what they can do.
Or Cats & Dogs since the only thing Brindleton Bay offers Pets is a fountain for Cats (also in Build Mode), Pet Cementary (could have been a lot), and walking tracks by the beach (the other two don’t really offer walking tracks).

So really, C&D and GT didn’t *techincally* need worlds either and both were light on actual gameplay.

The terrain object is the biggest component to the maps in this game. They can’t be rearranged. The maps for the hospital/police station, and science center reuse decorative assets (block buildings, props, VFX, etc), but the world object is a completely different design that had to be created from scratch. It’s definitely not like Newcrest - that is where you can see how little rearranging can be done. If something needs to be changed, then new pieces have to be created to fit specifically where they are needed. Newcrest features basically the exact same design as 3 of the neighborhoods from Willow Creek. The GTW neighborhoods have completely different designs, even MP has an entirely different design. Reusing textures, and props isn’t really recycling an entire map.

Maybe they didn’t rearrange, but maybe remodelled? Or they copied a lot of the backdrops.

It’s just in some areas, there are backdrops that are identical to the ones in Willow Creek.
Eg. The one where the hospital is, has the exact same backdrop to the Willow Creek area where the Pancakes live.

While part of it is different, the other half is identical even down to the way the decor items are arranged and how the backdrop trees etc are placed. I think they might have taken existing maps, and rather than rearrange, they completely remodeled it.

Or they made new maps but recycled chunks to same time.

"luthienrising;c-16510996" wrote:
For me it just totally depends on the EP. I can't think of many themes that wouldn't feel like they need a world. TBH, Pets would have been one of them! And Seasons another. So... I don't think there's much more that I want that wouldn't benefit from or need at least a small world.

This -- some themes could probably get by with a "mini-world" like we got Magnolia Promenade with GTW, or Forgotten Hollow with the Vampires GP. I love Brindleton Bay but I think a small 5 lot world would have worked fine -- one lot for the vet clinic, one for a training center, and then 3 more vacant lots for houses. I've been campaigning for some time for a modern reboot of Sims 1's Makin Magic; that could have a small Magic Town hood with lots for magic duels and such, maybe in the "public area" a cart to sell magical wares (modeled after the food carts) but with changing inventory so maybe something you need isn't available every day. Maybe the cart could also double as the fortune-telling station and/or matchmaker.

"jackjack_k;c-16512450" wrote:

"@gummybear0724;c-16512167" wrote:
No, I am running out of room. I need more space.

Just out of curiosity, we have over 200 lots in The Sims 4 right now. Do you actively play with every lot?

It’s just, a lot of people who say they’ve run out of space, then go onto say things like “I don’t bulldoze EA lots” or “I only have one or two packs” which means that even if they added more worlds in TS4, would people still have access to them or make use of them?

I know that when I was playing, I realised there was so many lots I didn’t even use that I’d built because they didn’t serve a purpose. So while I had them on the map, I never used them and wasted space .

The more packs you have the more space you need.

Think of the venues that have been added -- with the Sims 4 system you don't need them in every world, but there are still a lot out there, and you might want more than one to keep yourself from going to the same place every time.

Bars/lounges/nightclubs(subset: bowling lanes)
Gyms
Parks
Museums
Spas
Restaurants
Karaoke Bars
Arts Center
Vet Clinic

Probably more I'm forgetting.