MC Command Center Local Help/Chat Thread

Yep. For me, the game's housing-people works when I first am starting a new save then does basically nothing after that. I have found that my own best option is to stop MCCC from doing it and just grab unhoused Sims myself and house them. I use MCCC's get_pop c to find out which of those will lose their roles if I house them (librarians, mail carriers, pizza delivery, fishers, gardeners, repair people) and if there are any in careers that make them feel like they might live in a mid-to-nice house - say, the chef in a fine-dining restaurant.

"luthienrising;15592094" wrote:
Yep. For me, the game's housing-people works when I first am starting a new save then does basically nothing after that. I have found that my own best option is to stop MCCC from doing it and just grab unhoused Sims myself and house them. I use MCCC's get_pop c to find out which of those will lose their roles if I house them (librarians, mail carriers, pizza delivery, fishers, gardeners, repair people) and if there are any in careers that make them feel like they might live in a mid-to-nice house - say, the chef in a fine-dining restaurant.

I won't say ALL, but DP's coded things now so a LOT of those homeless (including Restaurant Employees!), will NOT lose their jobs, if they move into a house, as long as they are left Unplayed.

(I have a Masseuse married to Ulrike Faust, played house. I have not yet OPENED the house. So far, he's kept the NPC job. Little odd, but I'm not complaining.)
;)

Out for a nap. I'll BBL. :)

I just want to say that if Deaderpool had kept his Patreon JUST to donations I personally would have been fine with that. This game is NOT playable without this mod, IMO. (As a note, I rarely play it anyway because they update to often and updating mods is just a total bore chore).

BUT he is giving special access to a more updated version to his supporters. This crosses the line for me in terms of donations versus pay, and I don't support that. In fact I find the whole chasing after money thing to be quite abhorrent, whether it's done by a huge game publisher or a popular modder.

BTW I am not affiliated with MTS in any way other than being a member there (and have my own issues with MTS, trust me), but this is my two cents. I won't be playing TS4 at all now I guess, but for me that is no great loss. ;)

P.S. I hope he is at least sharing his loot with you ladies that are helping him earn his keep. :p

"HappySimmer3;15592281" wrote:
I just want to say that if Deaderpool had kept his Patreon JUST to donations I personally would have been fine with that. This game is NOT playable without this mod, IMO. (As a note, I rarely play it anyway because they update to often and updating mods is just a total bore chore).

BUT he is giving special access to a more updated version to his supporters. This crosses the line for me in terms of donations versus pay, and I don't support that. In fact I find the whole chasing after money thing to be quite abhorrent, whether it's done by a huge game publisher or a popular modder.

BTW I am not affiliated with MTS in any way other than being a member there (and have my own issues with MTS, trust me), but this is my two cents. I won't be playing TS4 at all now I guess, but for me that is no great loss. ;)

P.S. I hope he is at least sharing his loot with you ladies that are helping him earn his keep. :p

Please take a closer look, may be you misunderstood the principle.

In my opinion no supporter (I'm also one) has any advantage from the "benefits". There is no "more updated" version of MCCC for the patrons only. Technical spoken, quite the contrary. All what they get is a fragmentary preview of what might come, with the request to test and report any bugs. The previews are incomplete and not thouroghly tested. Those who use them, do it on their own risks with the (small) possibility to damage their games.

@Deaderpool always releases the stable versions immediately to everybody without any restriction. There is really no advantage at all to be a patron. In my opinion, it's only a sign of appreciation.

But of course, everybody has to decide whether to support or not on his/her own.

Im completely with Bonxie on this. It is actually quite the opposite, it was his biggest fans who pushed him to start receiving donations.
DP didnt really want to at all.. but WE kept nagging.
Me: i wouldnt put one of those early releases to use in a real game. those are for testing only, and might even destroy your game if you aint careful.

"HappySimmer3;15592281" wrote:
I just want to say that if Deaderpool had kept his Patreon JUST to donations I personally would have been fine with that. This game is NOT playable without this mod, IMO. (As a note, I rarely play it anyway because they update to often and updating mods is just a total bore chore).

BUT he is giving special access to a more updated version to his supporters. This crosses the line for me in terms of donations versus pay, and I don't support that. In fact I find the whole chasing after money thing to be quite abhorrent, whether it's done by a huge game publisher or a popular modder.

BTW I am not affiliated with MTS in any way other than being a member there (and have my own issues with MTS, trust me), but this is my two cents. I won't be playing TS4 at all now I guess, but for me that is no great loss. ;)

P.S. I hope he is at least sharing his loot with you ladies that are helping him earn his keep. :p

@HappySimmer3 That was Uncalled For. ^^^ (bolded.) If it was a joke, having seen it fresh from waking up, I didn't find it at all amusing. JMO.

You touched a nerve, and it's going to net my new thread its first wall of text from yours truly.

I wouldn't take a dime from the man if he offered it to me. I reap other benefits from hanging out with DP. I was delighted to sign up for his Patreon!!

Patreon is a site for Creators. The whole premise hinges on people being able to consistently offer/update services/products that are of interest to their subscribers.

Some of those pages are pulling down $36,000/month. :o (Browse, don't take MY word for it.) If I had that kind of talent/drive... I'd have a page there, too. No-brainer, IMO.

I started begging @Deaderpool (legit tag for this) to PLEASE do something like Patreon or Gofundme or Kickstarter... around Christmas of 2015. Why? because people were begging ME for a way to be able to donate, aka show THEIR support, to him.

This past holiday season, I ran across a link that was randomly posted to my MSN feed, talking about TurboDriver making $3k a month through Patreon for his work on WW. Now, keeping in mind I'd been on DP to do something similar (like white on rice, TBH) for over a year... when I sent him that link, DP looked deeper at Patreon, and decided to go for it with his own page.

Finally! :smiley: (said me)

Two options, above the free "see what's here" option. $3 and $9. (Personally glad he stopped at $9. ;) ) I'm the Cheerleader, which was a self-given, self-styled "mini-admin" type tag. Image. (Findability, too.)

So I would have felt obligated to go for the $9 option anyway, just for being the one who spearheaded the effort to get him hooked up on Patreon.

Being a serious DP fangirl (somebody here tried that on me as an insult once... didn't fly, it isn't news to ME, either, y'know) ... I don't think I'm being arrogant or self-serving by saying I have really done a LOT for Deaderpool over the past 2 years. Plenty of behind the scenes AND public support, he's gotten from me, before he ever saw ANY Patreon money, from ANY of us.

He wouldn't have cared if I hadn't opted in. He is NOT LIKE THAT. And he's not ever held it against anybody else for making their choice not to go that route, either. You make it sound like you think he's not helping players who aren't on Patreon. Not true. Come to Discord if you don't believe me.

*My* attraction to the higher amount was solely to get to see his complete TODO list. That's the MAIN benefit I was interested in. Anything else there he added to either level has been gravy, to my personal POV.

I don't even usually PLAY with the versions he posts there. I stick with the currently-public copies, so I can help players who have that version troubleshoot. ( @Cyclelegs thinks I'm shooting myself in the foot...)

Here's a nice side benefit of Patreon subscribers gaining early "beta test" access to incoming public versions... since DP started offering the "advance copies," once a version has been released, we have not seen NEARLY as many "live" bugs as we had been, when he was only doing releases on MTS.

Right, @Cyclelegs ? @Bonxie ? @itsug ? (etc)

Were there ANY actual bug (as in, not operator-error) reports from 3.2.0??

I actually think that's been a pretty awesome byproduct of this new adventure. 3.2.0 went through 5 "upgrades" on Patreon, before he wrapped "3.2.0.5" up into what we have now, 3.2.0.

He COULD have kept the page to just donations, I imagine... but "taking something for nothing" (MCCC is not "nothing" BTW...) is not his style.

He wanted to give BACK To Subscribers... even though he's already given a lot of us a reason to keep playing this (busted vanilla) game. That's where the advance version releases idea came from. If you don't mind waiting, you WILL see what's there... when it's all spiffed up, and ready to be packaged up for public consumption.

Everybody: The Patreon thing is completely VOLUNTARY. If it's worth it To You, opt in. If it isn't worth it, don't.

You are not losing anything you don't already have access to, by not signing up. That's pretty simple.

If you decide not to, please have the courtesy to respect other players for their decision on the subject, who DO believe it's a worthwhile thing.

There's room for all of us, but I won't have people trashing Patreon, or DP for his decision to have a page there. It's an amazing site. Look around.

He's an amazing guy. People wanted this for him. Don't try to make it into a negative thing.

@egwarhammer I wasn't trying to offend you. Just stating my feelings about it, which your 'wall of text' has done nothing to change. I do realize that it was the vast amounts of cash being pulled in by the WW mod that has started this trend. DP is not the only modder to go that route, sad to say. But I don't like it. I don't like it one little bit. I think it sets a horrible precedent for a game like this, one that REQUIRES mods to be playable for a lot of people. I just wanted to put in my two cents about it all since I think there is a whole other side to this business.

And just to be clear, it is not the fact that he accepts donations that I have an issue with; I have never had an issue with voluntary donations. It's the reciprocal deal where you give people an incentive to contribute by providing them something that others don't get. I understand you see nothing wrong with that, and that's as it may be. We'll just have to agree to disagree. And I now bow out of this thread as it's not my intention to derail it.

"HappySimmer3;15592858" wrote:
@egwarhammer I wasn't trying to offend you. Just stating my feelings about it, which your 'wall of text' has done nothing to change. I do realize that it was the vast amounts of cash being pulled in by the WW mod that has started this trend. DP is not the only modder to go that route, sad to say. But I don't like it. I don't like it one little bit. I think it sets a horrible precedent for a game like this, one that REQUIRES mods to be playable for a lot of people. I just wanted to put in my two cents about it all since I think there is a whole other side to this business.

And just to be clear, it is not the fact that he accepts donations that I have an issue with; I have never had an issue with voluntary donations. It's the reciprocal deal where you give people an incentive to contribute by providing them something that others don't get. I understand you see nothing wrong with that, and that's as it may be. We'll just have to agree to disagree. And I now bow out of this thread as it's not my intention to derail it.

Classy. :) TY for the quick reply.

I hope you know most of that was just general FYI.

Little background, I'd already had a similar discussion earlier today on discord. This was on my mind, and waking up, your post was the first thing I saw.

Like I said, touched a nerve. Perfectly willing to be grown-up about it, if we can meet there. ;)

Flip side of what's bolded: people are going to contribute anyway... the "extras" (such as they are) are simply things DP wanted to offer BACK, over and above the thing that started it all, MCCC. <3 Just a different POV.

Wander by anytime (seriously!!). There's generally stuff going on around me. It's a thing.
:blush:

Oh yeah because getting a beta test version of something that can trash your game is getting something extra special. While I get what the general thought is, NOBODY is getting anything nobody else can get in the end. Everybody has access to the final version of the mod when it's released.

Also, no matter how he went about having people help test, there would be somebody complaining that somebody got access to something someone else didn't. It's the nature of the beast. But I do think, in this case, it's making a mountain out of an ant hill.

I'm jumping into this discussion quite late, and I really am not qualified in so many ways, but I have to add my two cents. It is my understanding that no one is allowed, by EULA, to receive any kind of money in regards to the Sims games. It's the same thing when you write fan fiction and why my trilogy is free. I don't own the copyright to Star Trek, and while Paramount (and now CBS) is kind enough to allow me to 'play' in their universe, I'm not allowed to earn one penny off of my efforts. (All I can hope for is that people will read it and like it. That's my return.) EA is also willing to allow the creators of custom content and mods, to play with their game. Payment is not due to anyone under these circumstances.

I love Deaderpool's MCCC mod. I use it, I'm still learning how to use it, and I'm chagrined the updates will no longer be over at MTS. That was quick and easy for me to find it again (had that page bookmarked). I don't tweet, just like I don't 'text'. (Although if there is a way to sign up to his new 'site' that will ping me when an update is ready, I might consider doing so, just to keep up.)

Years back we all tried to get EA to hire Twallen for his modding work. We didn't flat out beg him to charge us, that would be against the EULA. I'm very sorry to read in this thread that some have cajoled Deaderpool to seek recompense.