It seems trivial I guess but out of every 3 or 4 times I have a toddler hug a parent (to fulfill a whim) the parent refuses the poor kid. It gives them a double negative hit to their relationship (2 red minus-marks) aside from pretty much crushing the kid's mood. It's especially frustrating when it occurs right after the parent in question has been spending oodles of time with the kid, playing and/or teaching, and their relationship is nearly full. Conversely I've also had 'angelic-traited' toddlers refuse to be comforted by a parent with high relationship after a nightmare or death, yet have no problem immediately ASKING for that comfort (when I switch control). Speaking of the interactions between parents and babies/toddlers, WHY ON EARTH do parents (who are cooing and laughing and loving their babies) LOSE fun while doing this? I don't see how that makes any sense at all- parents, especially parents of newborns, delight in spending time with their babies, but Sim parents laugh and coo over their babies and their fun need steadily decreases. WTH? Especially when they're doing the silly faces interaction- HOW are they LOSING fun points while making silly faces HAPPILY with their babies?!?!? I would fully expect to see that fun meter filling up with the joy of parents playing with their babies and toddlers. Fix it, guys. -_-

It's even worse now with the whole "Sentiments" system in place. I just had a toddler try to hug her mother, and not only did the mother refuse, which caused a dip in their relationship, the mother got the "Hurt" sentiment toward the child, the tooltip text for which is: "<mother> feels wronged by <toddler>. and being around <toddler> will remind <mother> of that pain." All this because the mother refused the toddler's offer of a hug. It's asinine. (If anything, it should have been the toddler that got the "Hurt" sentiment toward the mother.)

@Gednaa "Meanwhile no more kids for Loveday and his spouse! I separated Loveday from his family and put him in a haunted house for two weeks as punishment! He was very upset, being family orientated. Nobody missed him. Angel raised the kids himself and aged them up to children, then Loveday moved back in and nobody seemed aware he'd been gone! lol" Oh my goodness... I love it! You sound a lot like me in my play style. No shenanigans or mean Sims allowed in my homes. I've been known to hunt down Sims in 'other households' and delete a vampire or two, a mean or evil Sim, etc.. 🙌

@TygerNight I agree that the meters and interactions could use some love for toddlers and parents - and others they interact with. I was very frustrated to realize on my most recent toddler (entirely done during the needs decay bug) that many of the interactions with the toddler were not bringing the 'attention' meter up. In my opinion, anyone from a child to other adult to parent who is interacting with the toddler or caring for them in any way should bring their attention meter up.Though IRL entertaining and cooing and interacting with a baby/toddler can be 'not actually' fun/satisfying (sometimes it's solely for the benefit of the baby/toddler and the parent is burned-out or the caregiver doesn't really care, they're just being a warm body and keeping the kiddo entertained and cared for for money/obligation...) those types of subtleties in motive and emotion are far more subtle and nuanced than is appropriate for the game.Imho I think it's best to make all fun/play interactions move up the fun and relationship for both parties, along with attention being brought up by every type of interaction the toddler gets - even if it's from a nanny, servo, butler, child, etc. That seems most accurate, logical, and fair. And it's just plain wrong for anyone to refuse the hug of a toddler. The only exception I can see for this may be if it was a non-parent or non-household member or non-caregiver that had the 'mean', 'evil' or 'hates children' trait (but even for them I cringe at the thought of a hug refusal(!)).A parent refusing a toddler hug is just plain unacceptable. If you see this happening consistently you may want to create a bug report: https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/bd-p/The-Sims-4-Bugs

My toddler asked the parent for a hug and the parent refused, which was bad enough, but then I looked and the parent had a festering grudge against the toddler. It's heartbreaking to see this happen in my game with parents that are family orientated and good. A festering grudge for being asked for a hug from a toddler???? That's cruel and I don't want to see this happen in my game as I keep everyone's traits correct to be parents. They have emotional control too, so I don't understand how this is happening. I've had it happen with two toddlers by the same parent now. I feel like kicking him out at the moment! Yet it's him that keeps getting whims to have babies!! I had a pretty bad childhood and like some players, like to play The Sims to live out a life that I would have liked, so this is upsetting. I took them to the park, they were all having a lovely time playing then BOOM! hug rejected and festering grudge! What on earth is going on? This would/should never happen in real life, so why is it happening in a game that I'm supposed to be in control of?

@SheriGR Oh I had this really bad with one family. One toddler, a twin, was a hugger and it gave a bitter grudge to the dad and hurt sentiment to his twin. Just because he hugged them 3x in a row.What?That toddler constantly experienced shared sadness for his twin and father who had some negative sentiment moodlets when near that child. It was so awful I manually removed the sentiments. I try to avoid this now when I see a toddler who wants to hug more than twice and stop it in the queue but it's ridiculous that it would cause such negative results.

My Sim parents sometimes refuse to hug a toddler back :(

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xochiquetzl_xkvn
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Gednaa Yeah, I took my Super Sim to Henford-on-Bagley and moved her into the lovely empty house in Old New Henford with the rest of her family. They're all five star celebrities. It was fine, but we mainly raised chickens and did the aspiration while her merhusband swam in the river compulsively. 😉 We did not attempt villager errands for that reason.
(We left her adult sister in the San Myshuno penthouse.)
We ended up missing the city and moved back. I like confining the paparazzi to the elevator lobby.
Gednaa
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
That made me giggle! the thought of you confining the paparazzi to the lobby. I don't know much of San Myshuno, I went there for a while and couldn't stand people wandering in and out of my apartment! People just randomly appeared! Nowadays, I get so bored, I just frighten the hell out of my sims by locking them in a haunted house and cheating all their good moodlets off them so they're terrified! I won't do it to kids though! I now make children in CAS so that the whole toddler stage is missed out. I loved toddlers, but it's unplayable now. The kids barely know the parents when they age up (famous or not) sims seem to be getting worse at bonding than ever. I'm sure there used to be a lot more caring and sharing going on. Now they don't even keep in touch when they become adults, like they're complete strangers. I spend most of my time building or creating sims now. game playing time has gone down a lot! :/
xochiquetzl_xkvn
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Gednaa
I like San Myshuno, but I do lock my doors and I also tend to have Sims in penthouses or The Old Salt House. The starter apartments are kind of annoying (in a good way? depends on your playstyle), with noisy neighbors and the like, but I like how lively it is.
With the doors locked, the Paparazzi tend to congregate in the elevator lobby and play on their phones all day. In the burbs, I've found they try to congregate around your pool, hang out in the garden, try to let themselves into your house (but the door's locked)...
Gednaa
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
I lived in 1 Torendi Towers for a short while, where people would randomly wander in even with the doors locked (???) and before that one of the other apartments which had noisy neighbours which my sims hated! Also that weird one with the blonde hair and bright suit ( can't remember his name now!) kept coming and complaining to us if we played the piano, so yet another move! Back in Sulani now, and my sims are happy again. Haven't had time to play them much as I do a lot on the gallery these days. Thanks for all the info @xochiquetzl_xkvn 🙂. xxx
xochiquetzl_xkvn
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@GednaaI think there was a bug where door locks just didn't work on apartments that they've since fixed. Yeah, that would drive me CRAZY. Also you're talking about Diego Lobo! :D
My Sims tend to live in Torendi Tower, too, but I always edit out the basketball court. I've also lived in Fountainview Penthouse, The Old Salt House, and... I forget the name, a super annoying starter apartment next door to Salim Benali, who is a nice Sim but a super annoying neighbor. 😉
Gednaa
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
So... the refusing the toddler a hug is still not fixed! I've had it happen twice in the past few days since I started letting them have kids again, in the hope that the bug was fixed, but obviously it isn't. Please fix this, it ruins the enjoyment of the game. I also got the sad about evil moodlet agains a toddler again!! Heeeeelp. Toddlers are impossible!!! My sims are all good,, cheerful, family traits! What????
Slytherclaw72
4 years ago
This is still an issue more than 2 years later and I for one was very displeased when it just happened in my game (it may have happened before and I didn't catch it at the time, because I've had some mysterious negative sentiments with Parent/Toddler in the past).
Not only is it Out of Character for my sim to refuse to hug his daughter, but it hits very close to home when you've had to deal with emotionally neglectful/abusive parents in RL. Some may enjoy exploring that in their games, I don't.
Gednaa
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
I have taken the beloved trait off my parent sims and they never refuse a hug now, no need for introductions when the child ages up either. Hope this helps! 🙂

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