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I 'm about to buy new gaming pc & monitor for sims, need advice? & On ultra?

@puzzlezaddict I need your advice, hopefully you're available to help before monday; I want to purchase before sale ends before 26th, in case they go out of stock, if these are good enough specs for what I'm looking for.

If these details of how I want to play help: It's only for sims 4, with every EA dlc except for batuu, bowling, cool kitchen, & leaving out 6 kits I don't like.Also plan to get newer dlc when they come out, & maybe a little cc in future & a couple mods. Want many homes in my saved game, big homes too & very cluttered rooms, & lots trees & shrubs, & want to gameplay big families, pets included. & probably near max amount of sims to fill worlds. I want to be able to queue up, stack, what I want sims to do. Also, I don't run anything in background, only sometimes will alt tab to save a screenshot I took, to paint program, using pose player and poses to take a few shots.

I don't want slow frames that slow sims walking for example or slow welcome wagons and events or slow lot panning movement in world's like city living or island living or windenburg when camera faces trees on the shore island area for example. Or when nanny comes over when single parent sim goes to work, or when using restaurant lot. Everything slowing down is the type lag I don't want, noticed you mentioned to someone you wanted to know what they meant by lag, and you said you thought they meant taking long after clicking something before sims will do it. I just mean by lag the screen gets very slow, fps drops low to maybe 30, & even trying to move the camera gets slow & can even mess up turning of left or right- super low end pc lag, pc can hardly handle game& sims movements are like turtles in slow motion.

There's a desktop gaming PC on sale, and gaming monitor, & if these would run sims 4 with all EA dlc on ultra without being low framerate. (that's the type of lag I get in certain circumstances on my very old non gaming pc with 720p 28" rca TV as monitor. (I had posted you my old pc specs before on older post).

Here's the pc & monitor link. Also is it better to use this startech display port cable with vesa certified, instead of hdmi cord?

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/asus-rog-strix-g13-gaming-pc-extreme-dark-grey-intel-ci5-14400f-1tb-ssd-16gb-ram-rtx-3050-only-at-best-buy/17650588

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/asus-tuf-27-fhd-180hz-1ms-gtg-ips-led-g-sync-freesync-gaming-monitor-vg279q3a/17632000

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/startech-displayport-cable-dp14mm2m/13508697

I don't want to play on medium or low settings & I don't know if rtx3050 is good enough for ultra settings with all EA dlc?

  • @Lightsims8  The traditional definition of lag was a delay between input or when an action should start and when it actually happens on-screen.  Fps drops are a different matter entirely.  Both are related to the computer's hardware and to the game engine.  The problem is that the game engine can be the limiting factor beyond a certain point, past a certain level of hardware.  Some lag and slowdowns are unavoidable, at least the way Sims 4 is currently built.

    The best you can do is find hardware fast enough to clear the issues quickly.  Even then, there's a limit of sorts beyond which better hardware doesn't help in any measurable way.  So a $3,000 gaming PC and one that costs half as much could give you effectively the same performance, while the right $1,000 PC could give you performance that was close enough to not make a material difference.

    I don't want to tell you that any computer you're considering would run the game the way you imagine it because it won't.  Your goals should be achievable but just aren't, at least not with Sims 4 in its current state.  That's unfortunate and unfixable from the user end.  I'm not saying that a new computer wouldn't give you a markedly better experience, only that you're not going to see anything close to perfection.

    Clutter is a particular problem—lots with many objects run poorly on every system out there.  Changes like the Simp4Sims Graphics Rules Overhaul help around the margins but are not a proper fix, which could only come from an overhaul of the game engine.  The DirectX 11 version of Sims 4 may end up a significant improvement, but it's not now, and there's no guarantee it ever will be.


    For the computer itself, it's a good option for its price, and it's more than capable of ultra graphics settings.  You're not going to get anywhere near 180 fps in-game to match your monitor, so if you'd like to save money, it's worth considering a cheaper monitor with a lower refresh rate.  That's not to say this monitor is bad, only that you won't see its full benefits in-game.

    I will say the monitor is somewhat dim for playing in a bright room.  250 nits (candelas, or cd/m^2) is fine for a dark room but not great for a lit one.  I'd try to find something with at least a 300-nit peak brightness, maybe more.  The IPS panel is the other important detail: that's the highest-quality in terms of color and viewing angles.

    This would be a good example of a cheaper, brighter monitor with a lower refresh rate that's more in line with the framerates an RTX 3050 would generate running Sims 4:

    https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/msi-pro-24-fhd-100hz-1ms-gtg-ips-lcd-monitor-mp243x/17221954

    I didn't see anything else worth mentioning on the Best Buy site, but here's what Newegg Canada has to offer with those filters in place:

    https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?N=101702399%208000%20601412369%20600107132%20601192287%20601192289&Order=1

    There's no meaningful difference between DisplayPort and HDMI at this level.  (There is a difference in the amount of data that can be transferred, but the limits are far beyond what these monitors can display or an RTX 3050 can output.)  Either one is fine, and so is using the cable that comes with the monitor.  An RTX 3050 will have both DP and HDMI ports.

    If you have more questions, please feel free to keep asking.

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  • @Lightsims8  The traditional definition of lag was a delay between input or when an action should start and when it actually happens on-screen.  Fps drops are a different matter entirely.  Both are related to the computer's hardware and to the game engine.  The problem is that the game engine can be the limiting factor beyond a certain point, past a certain level of hardware.  Some lag and slowdowns are unavoidable, at least the way Sims 4 is currently built.

    The best you can do is find hardware fast enough to clear the issues quickly.  Even then, there's a limit of sorts beyond which better hardware doesn't help in any measurable way.  So a $3,000 gaming PC and one that costs half as much could give you effectively the same performance, while the right $1,000 PC could give you performance that was close enough to not make a material difference.

    I don't want to tell you that any computer you're considering would run the game the way you imagine it because it won't.  Your goals should be achievable but just aren't, at least not with Sims 4 in its current state.  That's unfortunate and unfixable from the user end.  I'm not saying that a new computer wouldn't give you a markedly better experience, only that you're not going to see anything close to perfection.

    Clutter is a particular problem—lots with many objects run poorly on every system out there.  Changes like the Simp4Sims Graphics Rules Overhaul help around the margins but are not a proper fix, which could only come from an overhaul of the game engine.  The DirectX 11 version of Sims 4 may end up a significant improvement, but it's not now, and there's no guarantee it ever will be.


    For the computer itself, it's a good option for its price, and it's more than capable of ultra graphics settings.  You're not going to get anywhere near 180 fps in-game to match your monitor, so if you'd like to save money, it's worth considering a cheaper monitor with a lower refresh rate.  That's not to say this monitor is bad, only that you won't see its full benefits in-game.

    I will say the monitor is somewhat dim for playing in a bright room.  250 nits (candelas, or cd/m^2) is fine for a dark room but not great for a lit one.  I'd try to find something with at least a 300-nit peak brightness, maybe more.  The IPS panel is the other important detail: that's the highest-quality in terms of color and viewing angles.

    This would be a good example of a cheaper, brighter monitor with a lower refresh rate that's more in line with the framerates an RTX 3050 would generate running Sims 4:

    https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/msi-pro-24-fhd-100hz-1ms-gtg-ips-lcd-monitor-mp243x/17221954

    I didn't see anything else worth mentioning on the Best Buy site, but here's what Newegg Canada has to offer with those filters in place:

    https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?N=101702399%208000%20601412369%20600107132%20601192287%20601192289&Order=1

    There's no meaningful difference between DisplayPort and HDMI at this level.  (There is a difference in the amount of data that can be transferred, but the limits are far beyond what these monitors can display or an RTX 3050 can output.)  Either one is fine, and so is using the cable that comes with the monitor.  An RTX 3050 will have both DP and HDMI ports.

    If you have more questions, please feel free to keep asking.

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    Lightsims8
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    2 years ago

    @puzzlezaddict thanks for the helpful info, I'll buy that PC and the msi 24" monitor from bestbuy you linked & use hdmi with it. I'll purchase Mon or Tues 🙂 [only wish pc monitors came in gloss. I like the rich colors & rich black I get on my glossy TV, phone & tablet..] 

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