Re: CC Doors and Windows not functional after september 3th patch (2020)

@romy1961  I have auto game updates disabled in Origin.  Whenever I don't feel like updating Sims 4, I sign into Origin and put it in offline mode, and then the orange Update button on Sims 4 changes to Play.  This worked as recently as the patch from a month ago.

Thank you for your intervention. I know this all, but it doesn*t works as you say. Unfortunately...

I can fix almost everything on my sytem and games, but it was impossible to play without the last update. You can belive me!

After I restored my PC on the previous status, I could not play anything in Origin without the update, neither offline nor online. This is how it looks...

Regards!

@romy1961 

You can play offline if you want to. It will however mean that you can not get any new packs and from your perspective probably worse you can not use any new CC and Mods.

I'm sorry to contradict you, but no - you can not play offline if you want to.

I restored my system again and have now the Origin version bevor the update from 3.September. You can definitely nicht play without updating your Origin-Version. That*s a fact and not ignorance or missunderstanding. The Button is orange, but as soon as you click it, returns after a second on the same position and you can not start the game.

Origin Message above: you are offline, an important update is REQUIRED. Start again to get the new version,

Pretty clever to promote or rather force the new version, but very bad for customers. 

I can confirm that I played with Origin off-line for several days after the Sept. 3 game patch. I use several mods and lots of CC so I keep the automatic game update disabled in my Origin settings. I was in the middle of a project and I didn't want to remove my mods and CC for the patch update. So I just played off-line until all of the mod creators had a chance to get their updates sorted out. The "My Home" screen looked like this:

I was still able to go to "My Game Library" and click on the Sims 4 game tile and launch the game from there without having to install the patch first.

I'm back to playing on-line now with my game fully patched and all of my mods updated or verified to still be compatible.

I completely agree with you. I want an option to not update my game if I dont want to. If I am not ready to buy new DLC then why force me to update my game? Its bullcrap. “jUst dONt UpDate YuR GAme!” Yeah.... sure buddy cool fairytale Im sick of EA and their apologists like these people act they are on the payroll. Every time I have tried to play without updating it tells me I cant and that I should enable automatic updates. 

Sorry, you have taken the screenshots a few days ago, bevore you updated your game, just to post them now??

Now is your game updated, as you say. Where did you knew, that you*ll need the screenshots? And why remove CC and MODS bevore updating Origin?

@RandomBuzziness I can now take some screenshots like this now, what does not means, that I can play.

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@romy1961 Just to clarify, I do not remove mods and CC for Origin updates but I do remove them before installing Sims 4 game updates, including before I installed the Sept 3 game patch. I'm not 100% sure this is necessary but the warning is included with every release of patch notes so I figure why take a chance on not doing it?

The screenshots were from a chat I was having on Discord with another player while we were discussing how to play off-line on patch days.

You can play offline without an update, just decline the update, go offline, launch the game from your library.
There will be a message (you must be proficient in the internet) no, of course.
What is certain ! I control my choice, I play Sims 4 with my favorite CC !!!

I have been playing this way for a year, so my game was working perfectly.
but if I updated it, it was a disaster.

I did it yesterday! in order to buy 3 dlc.
everything updated, everything works!
(I don't play Sims 4 every day, nor do I have other games)
and paf!
no more CC windows and no more CC doors !!

What I'm going to do, and I recommend:
then that EA marks the problem as 'solved'
Since he doesn't understand or refuses to understand that modding is an important reason for the success of "The Sims 4"
- Read the notes for the next patch, see if there is a problem on the internet like this post.
-If need to go offline, launch the game from my library.
wait until my CC is up to date, before another disaster.
and before purchasing new dlc.

So maybe the game's marketting will understand that their navel is proud? I do not think so !
He's not reading this post! unfortunately currently!
But if we react together !!
I want to keep my CCs, and I want to buy Dlc !
maybe ...

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@romy1961 

Origin update > Game Update.

Two completely separate things.

Origin updates are mandatory sometimes, the security of the client is upmost important.

Updating Origin will not update your game if you disable automatic game updates.

I find it kinda sad that no one here has confidence in the community to come up with a fix.

They always have in the past and we're having this discussion each rare time cc (not mods, they break almost with every patch) breaks .. and then everyone forgets it happened before cause the cc community is amazing and came up with a fix on their own.

And they made a folder to make it easier we can use mods/cc cause as they knew that the community would come up with a solution really fast as with other titles if they didn't. It's there for convenience. Doesn't mean individual cc is supported because of it. They support the framework but not a 3rd party creates.

@Gwendoalex Of course they could and as I said elsewhere, CC doesn't really break that often (by that I mean whole groups of cc and not single ones) and maybe that is because EA does try to keep it compatible where they can but at times it might just not be feasible to support every state of old cc. There has been issues with doors/windows before where they all disappeared and needed updating so if they keep supporting ever version, it gets more and more complex. 

We all see the complexity of this game breaking more and more game stuff and adding level of support to cc will up that even more.

S4Studio is still working on a batch fix and once that is out, it's really not hard to fix it. We had it with beds before and with windows/doors and other instances, just look at the number of batch fixes they already have. 

EDIT: And oh, if they did that that you can still use old cc, creators wouldn't be forced to update and I can already see all the reports in here saying: I can't stack my windows like they promised <insert all kinds of insults>

@crinrict 

I pretty much agree with all of that.  The fact that the company put in a "Mods" folder, allowing us to create and use CC/Mods is WONDERFUL.  It allows us to FIX problems in the game because EA certainly WON'T.

The idea that they can't support any of it is completely understandable.  It's flat-out impossible for them to design the game to work properly for ALL CC/Mods. It just can't happen.

Oh, if they have two options to fix a problem or design a new feature, one that works with CC and one that doesn't, I'd expect them to use the option that works.  They certainly don't need to be alienating their player-base any further. They're doing a great deal to upset their players already by not fixing their own bugs. But if the only option will break CC, then they really don't have much choice. The CC community will have to just deal with it... which we have for years.

I'm confident we'll come up with a fix eventually.  We have already come up with FIXES for most of the bugs that EA refuses to fix.

@romy1961 

That's because a Windows Restore Point is not working this way. 

You brought back the Registry settings and the content of the Documents/EA folder, but the already patched system files are still in your game folder.

To roll back to an earlier game version you would need a full backup of your game folder under "Program files" (Or where you installed the game.) 

It always will be a hassle if you try to get back, make the necessary settings now, so you can decide to whether or not to update the next time.

As said, a mandatory Origin update will not change your game files.

@PsychotpsYes, but not supporting Windows and Doors? thats just pure laziness. EA strikes again.

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@hayput wrote:

I literally can not with your comment. It's sad no one has confidence in EA... it's really not considering they are constantly breaking our games. It's sad we even have to use CC.. sad cc creators can create items that look 10 times better than EA... and you know what's really sad?!  That it's been 2 weeks and they haven't so much as even commented on it.. still no fix. I'm 100% sure they will fix their own crap and leave the rest to us and creators to handle. Which is GARBAGE. Just like the game without CC... THAT'S WHAT'S SAD.

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Agreed.

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@hayput wrote:

I literally can not with your comment. It's sad no one has confidence in EA... it's really not considering they are constantly breaking our games. It's sad we even have to use CC.. sad cc creators can create items that look 10 times better than EA... and you know what's really sad?!  That it's been 2 weeks and they haven't so much as even commented on it.. still no fix. I'm 100% sure they will fix their own crap and leave the rest to us and creators to handle. Which is GARBAGE. Just like the game without CC... THAT'S WHAT'S SAD.

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Your comment is interesting. For you the game is garbage but the CC isn't. The game is therefore just the means for you to play with 3rd party content. But you are expecting Maxis to reverse the changes they made to windows, which will benefit everyone's vanilla game, to accommodate your modded game.

How about the creators update their CC? Have you checked to see if the CC windows you have have been updated by the creator? If they haven’t, have you asked them if they intend to? As CC users we are at the mercy of the CC creators, not EA.

@Bluebellflorawrote:

Your comment is interesting. For you the game is garbage but the CC isn't. The game is therefore just the means for you to play with 3rd party content. But you are expecting Maxis to reverse the changes they made to windows, which will benefit everyone's vanilla game, to accommodate your modded game.

How about the creators update their CC? Have you checked to see if the CC windows you have have been updated by the creator? If they haven’t, have you asked them if they intend to? As CC users we are at the mercy of the CC creators, not EA.

Well, 1st, the game IS garbage ATM. In a hundred different ways it's completely unplayable. CC/Mods are REQUIRED for stable game-play and fixing of the thousands of broken things EA refuses to fix.  And if the options weren't so limited, maybe CC wouldn't be so much in demand.

They don't seem to be asking to REVERSE anything. Just EA should fix their broken junk.  Same as so many of us others are as well.

Personally, I like the change they made to the doors and windows. I don't like that it broke CC versions but I can only assume that was unavoidable.  Modders and Sims4Studio will take care of the CC versions since EA won't. Lol. They won't even fix their OWN stuff, let alone fix anything of OURS.

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@qtpiesim wrote:
@Bluebellflora.....That was a bit harsh. Your understanding of why people utilize CC is skewed. Maxis content is plain and without depth. Designs are not colored very well and I believe that the standard colors are not designed but just splashed color. The variety of colors are the problem, as well as the patterned designed colors.

The game has definitely improved as to the 3D appearance and designing homes have been made much more user friendly with abilities to create incredibly beautiful structures. However, again the variety of painting or choices of wall "colorings" are basic in itself.

These are just a few reasons why people love to utilize CC. The VARIETY.

It's kind of like playing with paper army figures compared to Toy Story army figures. We all would prefer a more realistic look to the creations we create.

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My understanding is skewed? Or is it just a different opinion? Not everyone believes that "Maxis content is plain and without depth".

I use CC, quite a lot of it and for all the reasons you list. But I still do not believe it is EA's responsibility to apply a fix for those of us choosing to play with CC installed. They have made a fantastic change to how windows work in the game for ALL players. Unfortunately it changed the cutouts so CC windows need updating. Some creators have already fixed their windows, some are hoping S4S release a batch fix, some won't bother, and some aren't active anymore. That's why we are at their mercy by choosing to install their 3rd party content into our game.

I hope that Maxis spend time looking at more serious, game breaking bugs than this. This is not a game breaking bug, it is an aesthetic problem.

@qtpiesim 

"This forum is NOT my idea of Maxis communicating with the people who provide their salaries, wouldn't you say?" No, I wouldn't.

I'm not hurt at all 🙂

Which doors are not working? When you say not working, do you mean they do not look as they should? Or do you mean that a sim cannot use them as a door and walk through them? Have you checked the bug forum as I believe there is a report for the Maxis windows and doors affected by this update. I think there are approximately 3 items on that list?