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Re: Help choosing a gaming laptop

@hyacinthbunny  Among the programs you listed, Sims 4 is the most demanding, and an Nvidia 1650 will currently run it on ultra graphics settings with some room to spare.  By the time all packs are released, that may or may not quite be true, but of course we don't know exactly how demanding future expansion packs will be.  It seems like it will be a close call.

Given how many games you want to install, and that you'd like to dual-boot, it seems like 500 GB storage is the minimum requirement.  But you might want even more, depending on how much you intend to store internally.  On the other hand, many gaming laptops have an empty 2.5" drive bay so you can add whatever you want yourself.

I'm guessing the Lenovo has an i7-9750H processor and an NVMe SSD.  I think you'd be able to add a 2.5" drive, but you'd want to check before buying if you weren't sure the default storage was going to be enough.  In case you want to see what the inside looks like, here are a few photos:

https://laptopmedia.com/highlights/inside-lenovo-ideapad-l340-gaming-15-disassembly-and-upgrade-options/

And for more information than you ever wanted about this laptop, this is a great review.  The caveat is that it's not exactly the same configuration, with a weaker processor and maybe some other differences—there are a number of configurations for any given model.  But overall it should give you a good idea of what you'd be buying.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-IdeaPad-L340-Gaming-laptop-review-Stiff-ClickPad-impacts-gaming-fun.435714.0.html

In terms of other ideas, I didn't see anything with a 9750H, a 1650 or better, and at least 500 GB storage for around $800.  These two have the weaker (but still good enough for your plans) 9300H and Ryzen 7 3750H, respectively.  The second also has a combination 256 GB SSD/1 TB HDD as well.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GF63-9SC-614-Gaming-i5-9300H/dp/B07TR7WRK9/

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1554418-REG/asus_tuf505dt_rb73_15_6_amd_ryzen_7.html

This HP has a single 256 GB SSD but definitely an open 2.5" drive bay—you could pay much more than market price to have HP add it for you.  If you're willing to do it yourself, you could save plenty of money and get exactly the second drive you wanted.  (If you're going that route, don't pay extra for the RAM upgrade either, just order it yourself on Amazon.)

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-pavilion-gaming-laptop-15t-7lu82av-1

As far as support and warranties go, you'd need to look up reviews for a given company's customer service, not just its policy.  For example, having everything covered is great, but somewhat less great when you're required to send the laptop to China and wait a couple of months for repairs.  (I've heard stories.)  If comprehensive support is important to you, it might make you feel better to go to a Best Buy or similar, where you know you'll be able to take the laptop in if necessary.

I looked at Best Buy's current options, and they're fine.  Acer's entry-level gaming laptops have a less than stellar reputation, but the models released in the last couple years have been significantly improved.  Asus has earned a better reputation, especially with its ROG series.  The Asus also has a 9750H, and at $900, it's the cheapest model I saw with that CPU and more than 256 GB storage.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-nitro-5-17-3-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1650-512gb-solid-state-drive-black/6345056.p?skuId=6345056

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-g531gt-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1650-512gb-solid-state-drive-black/6335589.p?skuId=6335589

If you're willing to go to $1,000, there are too many good options to list, but those are the best ones I saw for $900 and under.  The Lenovo you saw might be better than all of them though.  It just depends on what you want and whether the other details (aside from the specs you listed) are what you have in mind.

And of course if you have more questions, please feel free to ask.

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  • hyacinthbunny's avatar
    hyacinthbunny
    6 years ago
    @puzzlezaddict Thank you for your reply! I don't have the need (or money) for the highest-end graphics cards, but I'd like something fairly good that can handle modded games. The mac I'm using now lacks a dedicated graphics card and can't handle edge smoothing set higher than low, so almost anything will be a considerable upgrade!

    I definitely agree on a minimum of 500 GB. While my desktop computer has a 1 TB hard drive I can use for data storage and we probably have 5 external hard drives as well, I'm hoping for something with expandable storage I can upgrade later. That applies to RAM too.

    Thanks for the info on the Lenovo. I'm starting to feel like it might not fit my needs, unfortunately. It only has one RAM slot and they couldn't find a port on the motherboard for a second hard drive (in the review you sent me), so I'm a little less enthusiastic. Plus the USB ports are both on the left, which seems like a pain since I'll be using a wired mouse.

    Thank you for the other suggestions. I had seen that ASUS model but not the MSI. I'm a little wary of HP thanks to proprietary nonsense they pulled on my old computer which made it too expensive to fix. I might consider an HP, but only if it was much better than the other options!
     
    Do you have any experience of companies with decent customer support? There are such mixed reviews. I was considering a custom build from CyberPowerPC (hoping this would minimize proprietary issues, bloatware, etc.), then saw some reviews saying that the customer service was awful and, as you mentioned, required them to ship their computer away for months. That was several years ago, but I couldn't tell if that has changed since.
     
    That Asus from Best Buy actually looks pretty decent (this one: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-g531gt-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-memory-nvidia-gefo... ). Do you have any thoughts on this new Asus, which I saw recommended elsewhere? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-IPS-Type-GeForce-Gigabit-TUF506IU-ES74/dp/B0865RZR9S/

    I'd obviously always prefer to spend less money, but I think we're ok with around $1000 if it's a noticeable upgrade.
     
    Sorry I have so many thoughts and requirements. I've just been waiting and saving for a long time and can't afford to buy a second computer if the first one fails. Thanks again for all of your help!
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    6 years ago

    @hyacinthbunny  That new Asus looks impressive.  The 1660 ti is overkill for any of your current needs, but then who knows what you'll want to play in a year or two.  The Ryzen 7 4800H beats the 9750H in benchmark tests by a considerable margin (50-60% in gaming, smaller gaps for some other tasks).  Plus, it's said to generate less heat for the same level of performance, so thermal throttling should be less of an issue.

    With your external drives, storage won't be an immediate issue, and Asus generally makes it simple to add a second hard drive in both its TUF and ROG lines.  Looking at the available configurations, this model definitely has a 2.5" drive bay.  However, because I haven't found a review or teardown of this particular model, we can't be sure that the new generation will be as simple to upgrade as the previous ones.

    Along those same lines, no one I saw has posted a comprehensive review of this model, just excitement at the specs and pricing.  While Asus deserves its good reputation, there's always a chance that this model doesn't live up to the hype.  You might want to wait a few days for the first round of reviews to drop; they're probably already written and just waiting for the embargo to lift, which has to happen on or before the release date of April 10.  Notebookcheck.net is as good a source as any.

    If this laptop does live up to expectations though, it's significantly better than the ROG I linked.  For $100 minus the cost of the extra 8 GB memory you're probably going to add, it's a huge upgrade.  Even if the performance of the new laptop is a few percentage points less than ideal, it would still be much better.  And anything more than a few percentage points less than top performance would make the laptop defective, not just poorly designed, in which case you should be able to return it.

    On that note, the Amazon page you linked is for a third-party seller, and it doesn't have the Fulfilled by Amazon tag.  If you have Amazon Prime, you should be fine anyway.  If you don't, there's a bit more of a risk, although this seller has an excellent reputation.  If you're not comfortable buying from that seller though, there are a number of other websites offering the same Asus for the same price, including newegg and Asus itself.

    https://www.newegg.com/fortress-gray-asus-tuf-gaming-a15-tuf506iu-es74-gaming-entertainment/p/N82E16834235421

    (this link is really long)

    If you do see it listed on Best Buy, they'd probably match Newegg's price, but it might not be in stock for a while yet.

    As far as customer support and proprietary software, there's a reason I didn't link any Cyberpower options.  If you pay extra for their protection plan, service is great, but otherwise, I've heard it can be somewhat lacking.  (That's also kind of old news, but there's a reason they're a lot cheaper than other sites.)  The HP software issue is annoying but can be worked around, although not everyone wants to do that.  (The quick and dirty solution is to start off by wiping the laptop and handle all driver installations yourself.)  I've seen that some Lenovo laptops require a proprietary connector to add an HDD, which is ridiculous, but not all of them do, which is why it's always best to look up the exact model.

    It's still really hard to find excellent customer support unless it's connected to a physical store.  Otherwise, you'd need to ship the laptop and wait.  And once shipping is involved, a company might as well choose the cheapest locations to house its repair shops, and you have to wait until those cheap outfits get around to your system.  I have had good experiences with Best Buy service, although in the very different context of setting up home systems for my parents.  And the Apple store is great too, but you don't want another Mac.  Outside of physical stores though, the experience won't and really can't be as good.  Ordering online is convenient, but it's also a compromise.

  • hyacinthbunny's avatar
    hyacinthbunny
    6 years ago
    @puzzlezaddict Thanks again! This was very helpful. I think it probably is a good idea to wait for some reviews, so I'll hold off and keep my eyes peeled. If this doesn't live up to the hype, is there something else you'd reccomend?

    I probably won't order on Amazon (just used that link since that's what I saw elsewhere), but thank you for the heads up and Newegg link. I'll watch to see if it appears on Best Buy soon as well.

    With your positive Best Buy experience, did you have to pay for additional support or was it included with the purchase price? While I do want decent support, I really can't fork over an additional $200/ year (the price of the Accidental support I saw listed on Best Buy). Apple has good support, but unfortunately macs haven't been great for gaming in my experience. Sims 3 is just unplayable on Macs (the port apparently caps out on RAM at a low level and crashes constantly) and my older games that require DOSBox are frustrating. It will be nice to have access to multiple operating systems again.
  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
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    6 years ago

    @hyacinthbunny  When I dealt with Best Buy, I don't believe my parents had to pay anything extra for the service.  On the other hand, they had a few systems installed and were probably over the minimum for complimentary Geek Squad setup.  I wasn't saying Best Buy is great for accidental damage, the kind you'd have to pay for almost anywhere.  (Even Apple makes you buy extra coverage.)  I was more thinking about if the laptop had some issue that wasn't your fault and should be covered by a standard warranty, in-store repair is usually more efficient.

    If the Asus doesn't get good reviews, there will almost certainly be competing laptops released soon enough.  Or you could fall back on the higher-end Lenovo, not the one you saw but the Legion line.  Last I saw, it was a bit more expensive than the new Asus, but prices will probably drop as this year's models hit the market.  The Legion line did have very good reviews when I looked, better than the comparable MSI model, and also better than the one you were considering.

    Another option is the higher-end HP Pavilion.  Yes, the software can be an issue, but it's easy enough to get rid of it.  I know someone who bought a Pavilion with a 9750H and a 1660 ti recently and is very happy with it.  But this is also a power user who laughs in the face of meager attempts to impose proprietary software.

    I haven't heard much about other new laptops, especially not with the same 4800H CPU.  Intel has released its 10th-gen high-end laptop CPUs, as of... this week?  So laptops with those processors will be showing up soon enough.  You might have to wait a few weeks to see what else is out there, but you'll have options.  It looks like the i7-10750H is around 10% slower than teh 4800H, but it's still a beast of a CPU, and probably more power than you'll realistically ever use.

    By the way, I know all about Macs and TS3—that's how I started on this site.  I had some adventures with the unknown error myself a couple years ago, and various other fun errors as well.  We're hoping the 64-bit update (macOS only, as far as we know) takes care of a lot of that, but we'll probably just end up with a whole new set of cryptic error messages to figure out.

  • hyacinthbunny's avatar
    hyacinthbunny
    6 years ago
    @puzzlezaddict That's great news about Best Buy. I'll definitely consider buying from them when I make my decision about the model.

    I am eager to get my laptop soon but I'll try to be patient. All that RAM is going to make my life less frustrating! Thank you so much for all of this advice.

    I didn't know you had experience with Macs and TS3 - so many PC gamers never use other systems. I attempted TS3 on my mac mini and got a few hours of play with Twallan's mods installed before my game stopped working entirely. Of course, I was trying to play with all the packs, some mods, and in Isla Paradiso, so I MAY have been pushing it when I attempted to add CC...
  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
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    6 years ago

    @hyacinthbunny  I know it can be hard to wait for a new toy... I mean, computer, especially when you have the money and good options right in front of you.  But long-term, the newer laptop looks like it's probably going to be a better choice.  And if you see anything else you like in the interim, feel free to come back and ask for a second opinion.

    You tried to play in Isla Paradiso with all packs on a Mac mini?  Are you insane?  I'm kidding, but still, I'm surprised your Mac ever spoke to you again after that.  I gave up playing in macOS and Bootcamped mine two years ago, and it was exactly the right decision.  If and when you do go back to TS3, you'll find out it's such a vastly improved experience, you might as well be playing an entirely different game.

  • hyacinthbunny's avatar
    hyacinthbunny
    6 years ago

    @puzzlezaddictSorry I vanished - I had to distract myself because I was looking too much at laptops I'd love but can't afford. ☹ One review of the ASUS said the display wasn't great, but I don't know whether that means it's bad for the price, or just worse than top of the line models I can't afford anyway. I am not super knowledgeable about displays.

    I realize that my Sims 3 game was destined to fail, but in my defense Isla Paradiso is very pretty! And I've never completed that island explorer aspiration. Still, a supernatural household of island dwellers who love gardening, collecting, and exploring was doomed, especially with CC added. I strongly considered Bootcamp but you have to pay lots for that Windows license and it really eats up hard drive space. Since I was saving for a laptop anyway so I can write and do some art stuff on the go, I figured I might as well put that money into a gaming laptop.

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