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Re: PC Recommendation to Play With Mods+CC (+16go File)

@6lz1s3gr5qos  I apologize for the late reply.  I wanted to do some research on Hogwarts Legacy, specifically how it runs on the graphics cards available in your price range and on various settings.  I could go into more detail, and please ask if you want those details, but the bottom line is, for 1500 CHF or less, your best bet is an Nvidia RTX 4060 ti.  It's a bit faster than the similarly-priced RTX 3070 and has access to newer technologies that can make some very new games run better.

However, you're not going to be able to run Hogwarts Legacy at 4k without some serious compromises, ones I don't think you want to make.  So while the monitor you're considering certainly looks great overall, you wouldn't get the benefits of its 4k resolution. You could play at 1920x1080 easily enough, and that scales well on a 4k monitor.  Or you could look at 2560x1440 monitors and take advantage of Nvidia's DLSS settings to push framerates higher.  Here again, if you want more details, just ask.

The short version is that DLSS allows the graphics card to render a game at a lower resolution and then upscale it.  DLSS features look great when the difference between the rendering resolution and the display resolution is small but not as much when it's large.  So going from a lower rendering resolution to 1440p is going to give you much better graphics than going from that same lower rendering resolution to 4k.

Anyway, all of this is about Hogwarts Legacy.  Sims 4 would run easily on these graphics cards at 4k on ultra settings no matter how much custom content and Reshade filters you piled on top of the game itself.  And if you want a 4k monitor for other reasons, for example streaming 4k video from other services, it would be a reasonable choice to just lower the resolution in Hogwarts Legacy.

For the computers themselves, this is the best choice I found:

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/joule-performance-force-rtx4060ti-8g-i5-intel-core-i5-13500-32-gb-1000-gb-ssd-pc-35820160

The processor is more than good enough, 32 GB RAM is nice to have although not (yet) strictly necessary, and 1 TB SSD storage is convenient too.  I don't know the motherboard and power supply brands, but the general specs are fine.

This looks like the same computer, just from a different supplier and slightly more expensive, in case you have a preference for one store over the other:

https://www.fust.ch/fr/p/ordinateur-tablette-mobile/pc-all-in-one-ecrans-informatique/pc/joule-force/pc-de-gaming-force-rtx-4060-ti-i5-8729781.html

This is a reasonable alternative too.  It's cheaper because it doesn't come with Windows pre-installed and has only 16 GB RAM.  The memory can be upgraded, now or later, and installing Windows is simple enough: you just need a product key and a USB stick you don't mind erasing.  But it might be more convenient to have that taken care of out of the box.  The other hardware is the same.

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/joule-performance-force-rtx4070-i5-b-intel-core-i5-13500-16-gb-1000-gb-ssd-pc-35854017

I don't know anything about this builder, but everything I can see says that it uses standard components, meaning that even if something breaks, you'd only need to replace that, not the entire computer.  The only other question is the build quality.  It looks from the return rate that that's not a problem either: the rate is lower than companies like Asus and Lenovo that make similar products with the same standard components.

If you'd like other options, please let me know.  But I didn't see anything as good as this in your price range that seems reliable.

One other option worth mentioning is this one, with an RTX 4070, even faster than the 4060 ti.  The one thing that gives me pause is that other product pages for this system builder list different specs than advertised.  This page doesn't have that problem, but if you do want this computer, I'd suggest calling the company and talking to a real person to confirm that you are in fact getting a 4070 and not, say, a 3060 ti.

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/captiva-high-end-gaming-i73-933-intel-core-i5-11400f-16-gb-500-gb-ssd-pc-32901876

If you have more questions in general or about any of these computers, please feel free to ask.

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  • 6lz1s3gr5qos's avatar
    6lz1s3gr5qos
    3 years ago

    Hello puzzleaddict, thank you so much for this research! 

    Regarding what you said about the Samsung monitor I’m considering, what kind of compromises are you speaking about? Do you mean financial ones ? Meaning I’d need a more expensive computer to play the game at 4K? 

    You mentioned that I could be playing at 1920x1080 on the 4K and that it would scale well - does that mean that the game would still run smoothly enough and the graphics still good ? And does that mean that I would be playing not on the highest resolution available for this game but on a lower one, but still good enough? My apologies if that’s what it means but I’ve watched some videos explaining gaming computers but to be honest I’m still struggling with a lot of the “computer language”. 


    I am indeed looking to use the 4K monitor as a streaming device as I do not have a TV. 

    As I was looking around, I saw on this page https://www.prodimex.ch/samsung-smart-monitor-m8-ls32bm801uuxen-%28blanc%29-ls32bm801uuxen-133311.html?lang=EN that it says in the description under “performance” that there’s no NVIDIA G-SYNC. Does that mean it wouldn’t work with the NVIDIA RTX 4060 ti that you recommend ? 

    Would it be necessary to look at different computers if I want in the future to do some video editing or would the Joule Performance force RTX4070 that you recommended be alright ? 

    Another question in the same vein, if I were in the future to need different parts in the PC, more adapted to whatever I could be doing, could I open this one up to change some components or do I need to build one myself to do that ? 

    Thank you very much for making this PC gaming world more accessible for my level of understanding ! 

  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
    puzzlezaddict
    Hero+
    3 years ago

    @6lz1s3gr5qos  The developers of Hogwarts Legacy recommend an AMD 7900 XT or faster to play in 4k.  That card is about 50% faster than a 4060 ti and maybe 15-20% faster than a 4070.  But that's not the whole picture.  For many people, not all but a fair number, 80 or 90 fps looks a lot smoother than 60 and thus gives a much better playing experience.  Then there are upscaling technologies, like Nvidia's DLSS that I mentioned earlier, that help increase framerates at the expense of some small details that you might not notice at 1440p but would at 4k.  (AMD has one too, but apparently Hogwarts Legacy doesn't look great with it in use.)

    The one thing I can tell you is that it would take more than 1500 CHF to get a computer that would run Hogwarts Legacy in 4k at even 60 fps.  But the game looks great at 1080p and 1440p, probably better at 1440p on ultra than at 4k on medium.  (This is somewhat subjective though.)

    When you run a 1080p game or video on a 4k monitor, the scaling is straightforward because the screen has double the pixels in each direction.  Each 1080p pixel corresponds to a 2x2 square on the 4k monitor, simple as that.  The image won't look as crisp as if it were running in 4k, but then the graphics card can also run games at much higher fps at the lower resolution.  That's not to say scaling doesn't work well in other configurations (e.g. gaming at 1440p on a 4k monitor), just that you're definitely not going to run into any weirdness around the graphics if you play in 1080p on a 4k screen.

    The other factor to note is that both monitors you've linked run at 60 Hz.  If you can tell the difference, I'd highly recommend something that goes up to at least 120—everything from gaming to just using the desktop feels much smoother at a higher refresh rate.  Above 120, there are diminishing returns, plus the price goes up and the selection narrows, so 120-165 is the sweet spot.

    Given how much of an investment this is, I'd suggest going to a physical store that has monitors set up and looking at screens running at different refresh rates.  Even if you can't run games on them, you can open a File Explorer window and drag it around to see the difference.  If everything looks the same to you, then getting a 60 Hz monitor is fine.  If you notice the difference, consider going higher.  I think once you figure this out, it'll be easier to make a decision about the monitor.  It's kind of difficult to visualize these concepts without having any exposure yourself, but once you know what looks good to you, things start to fall into place.

    The 4070 or even the 4060 ti is more than fast enough for standard video editing.  If you were a professional looking to increase your productivity, the answer might be different, but for a hobby, both cards would do great.

    The PCs I linked are assembled from standard components that you could buy yourself.  It's basically a custom-built computer that someone else put together for you.  You'd need to make sure that any new hardware you wanted to add was compatible, for example a newer processor probably wouldn't work with the motherboard, but that's a limit imposed by Intel and would also apply if you were building your own system.