time to nerf paladins

i guess this is why there arent any more gdi vs nod servers

Yes Palas are awesome but each faction has it's Pros and Cons. I don't think nerfing Palas is the answer tho, imagine how painful farming for FF hit would be with nerfed Palas.... Its bad enough being GDI and watching all the noddies overtake you that have been moaning all server about not being able to kill any mammoths. Maybe adjusting research order could be a better approach? Maybe scorps come earlier for nod and GDI get something better that that god awful kodi upgrade at the end?

its not that i dont like pals when i use them myself its just that at the start of a no morale server nod has no chance dropping b2 and 3 before gdi only because of how much damage pals do to buildings and mismatched defending units which reduces damage defenses can deal to them. nod has nothing like this type of advantage available early in the research tree whereas gdi has not only tanks and pals at long range to lure but also infantry rocket units for low research costs which all contribute greatly to the type of lure kills gdi is capable of early on in larger targets containing mammoths snipers and lesser amounts of basic infantry defense. ive also noticed that the forgotten defense layouts must follow some sort of set parameters because throughout the evolution of this game i have noticed a heavy decrease in targets that nod can easily exploit not to mention at times increases in the amount of buses or mgs you might find overall. there has never been a worse imbalance in this game in my opinion and i think its specifically due to the amount of damage that paladins can inflict and avoid receiving based on how much damage they do to mismatched defending units and buildings in particular. everyone knows gdi is more powerful in no morale servers im just saying why i think that is in my observation.

Nods are heavily overpowered in early game pvp, just one click of venoms and you already have the victory.

"tokenting;c-2218614" wrote:
Nods are heavily overpowered in early game pvp, just one click of venoms and you already have the victory.

whats pvp? never heard of such thing in this game before, surely you dont mean player vs player you must mean people validating people.

GDI vs NOD thread Nr. 1000

We can discuss that topic as long as we are all dead. There will be no changes. These guys are not able to start a single server without problems / change small but important details to the game for years now.

Because of that you can´t expect / ask for massive changes to the game. :o

"Kinshasa551;c-2218649" wrote:
GDI vs NOD thread Nr. 1000

We can discuss that topic as long as we are all dead. There will be no changes. These guys are not able to start a single server without problems / change small but important details to the game for years now.

Because of that you can´t expect / ask for massive changes to the game. :o

i dont think a massive change is in order i think damage dealt to buildings and non vehicle defense units by paladins should be slightly reduced, i think we are really close to a pseudo balance and tokenting made a valid point as well but pvp doesnt pay loot and being able to shoot a level 20 FB after 3-4 hours of starting a server is alot easier with gdi nowadays than it is with nod specifically because there has been a severe reduction in available target defense layouts that nod can easily take advantage of as compared to gdi which can kill any building easily with paladins, lure all unit types with very little research costs AND the most important reason gdi can kill mammoths early nod cant kill mammoths with anything at all ever in this game at a range of +8 levels because for some reason all forgotten targets now come with extra busses, dont even bother trying to deny it you rascal developers i know you buggers added more busses. so i think its time to reduce paladin damage dealt. its not a big ask and its just a small imbalance in my opinion but its very hard to keep up with gdi as nod in no morale worlds because of these reasons specifically.

"chadthurston;d-275841" wrote:
in no morale worlds paladins are way too strong and not only that but to be able to use 2 different anti vehicle unit types at the start ( paladin- tank, not mentioning rocket infantry being cheap to research)

I will stop you there. By the tank I assume you are reffering to Predator. That unit is not from the start it has to be researched, it cost about the same as Black Hand. So your claims dosen't stand. Second Last server NOD vs GD was Firestorm 15 16 last summer, so not that long time ago.

"Polux37;c-2218682" wrote:

"chadthurston;d-275841" wrote:
in no morale worlds paladins are way too strong and not only that but to be able to use 2 different anti vehicle unit types at the start ( paladin- tank, not mentioning rocket infantry being cheap to research)

I will stop you there. By the tank I assume you are reffering to Predator. That unit is not from the start it has to be researched, it cost about the same as Black Hand. So your claims dosen't stand. Second Last server NOD vs GD was Firestorm 15 16 last summer, so not that long time ago.

predator being the same cost as black hand does not make my claim invalid, the claim is about gdi having a vehicle WITH RANGE to use as a lure while also having an air unit WITH RANGE and ALSO cheap research costs on the rocket infantry give it all 3 unit types to use as lure in the early game. nod doesnt have that so ill stop YOU right there and ask that any more replies be properly thought out first instead of just sliding in your derisive comments without much thought to the argument many of these community members seem obliged to post in my threads. blackhands are useless all throughout the entire coarse of a game. nobody uses them they sit on the rocket bikes in the garage doing nothing and have done so for the entire lifespan of this game 10+ years.

"Polux37;c-2218682" wrote:

"chadthurston;d-275841" wrote:
in no morale worlds paladins are way too strong and not only that but to be able to use 2 different anti vehicle unit types at the start ( paladin- tank, not mentioning rocket infantry being cheap to research)

I will stop you there. By the tank I assume you are reffering to Predator. That unit is not from the start it has to be researched, it cost about the same as Black Hand. So your claims dosen't stand. Second Last server NOD vs GD was Firestorm 15 16 last summer, so not that long time ago.

notice here how this person says my claims dosen't stand.... which claim? what does dosen't mean please because this is an english forum and is that how they spell referring in your language as well? this forum comes with spell check that clearly shows you spelled the word wrong, you have time to make up nonsense arguments why not bother to learn a new word while you are at it. the predator TANK!!!! research cost is very cheap compared to the nod equivalent scorpion TANK, so please tell me exactly how and what claim i am making that doesn't stand in your world. the claim im making in case you are all confused is that paladins are able to accumulate more rp in many more situations than any equivalent nod units are capable of early in the game. FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST FEW PLAYERS WHO WERE ABLE TO RESEARCH BASE 2 FIRST IN FS 18 were using GDI. the first nod account had to wait until the bases were clear and they could take advantage of an easy large target. NOD needs help GDI does not. nod basically needs verts first to kill bases while GDI hs paladins that can kill buildings with an efficiency far too similar to the anti building units that NOD has access to early in the tech tree. im sorry im not wrong though and im telling you the truth from over a decade of experience.