Guardian interaction issue with anti-infantry barrier

You could ask the same about a number of forgotten def units - the reaper affects all units, the description says infantry and so on.

The idea behind this was afaik that wheeler based vehicles take damage from barbed wire, treaded vehicles don't. The Reckoner being a halftrack, so kinda falls in between.

Ultimately it was a decision made for balance reasons, but I can't comment on the reasoning here as that was before my time. I think it was supposed to give the few vehicles in the early stage of Nod gameplay an edge to keep up with the GDI, which on the other hand have an additional RT sink.

Whether this is good or bad is ofc open for discussion.

Besides the guardian, which other vehicles take damage from anti-infantry barriers? Are they any other GDI or Nod vehicles affected by this issue? Its relatively minor, and I don't like playing GDI that much cause of repair time issues. Does the Bowler react the same way in Forgotten Attacks world?

"EE_Elephterion;c-2054435" wrote:
The idea behind this was afaik that wheeler based vehicles take damage from barbed wire

So this means that the pitbull would take damage if it ignorantly went forward while attacking? Also are avatar warmechs affected by this?

"Shinerplunderer;c-2054584" wrote:
So this means that the pitbull would take damage if it ignorantly went forward while attacking? Also are avatar warmechs affected by this?

Yes, same for the Nod Attack Bike, but since Bike and Pitbull are anti-structure vehicles, they prioritize these targets and will keep attacking those first.

Nod Avatar, and GDI Juggernaut, are a third category of vehicles, 'walkers'. They do not take damage from the anti-infantry structures and they do the most trample damage. They also can trample other vehicles, due to their size, regular vehicles only trample infantry iirc.

"EE_Elephterion;c-2054653" wrote:

Yes, same for the Nod Attack Bike, but since Bike and Pitbull are anti-structure vehicles, they prioritize these targets and will keep attacking those first.

Nod Avatar, and GDI Juggernaut, are a third category of vehicles, 'walkers'. They do not take damage from the anti-infantry structures and they do the most trample damage. They also can trample other vehicles, due to their size, regular vehicles only trample infantry iirc.

So Avatars and Juggernauts can trample vehicles? I see that with Juggernauts its possible, but how about avatars? They target vehicles so they won't run into them. Seems with the attack bike, pitbull and avatar, it looks quite useless as a feature. Unless this was to happen, units will move forward regardless of the target they're attacking, may it be vehicles, infantry or structures. Could be an interesting world type called expert. I have never seen a Juggernaut run over a vehicle like a scrapbus or bowler. Is there a video link for me to see?

> @EE_Elephterion said:

> Ultimately it was a decision made for balance reasons, but I can't comment on the reasoning here as that was before my time. I think it was supposed to give the few vehicles in the early stage of Nod gameplay an edge to keep up with the GDI, which on the other hand have an additional RT sink.
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> Whether this is good or bad is ofc open for discussion.

What a joke--Have you played GDI? There's NO balance between GDI & NOD look at the top scores in developed worlds. Especially in worlds that Alliances can only be ALL of one type. Suspect there's no effort from Admin to bother fixing this issue

"FingReaper;c-2055367" wrote:

What a joke--Have you played GDI? There's NO balance between GDI & NOD look at the top scores in developed worlds. Especially in worlds that Alliances can only be ALL of one type. Suspect there's no effort from Admin to bother fixing this issue

I agree with him. GDI is simply under-powered compared to Nod. They lack the cobra's sheild. I would suggest having all 3 of GDI's EMP grenades replaced with something else. GDI's cobra equivalent is the orca and not the paladin, it should have a sheild just like the cobra. I don't know about the pit-bull or the rifleman squad.

"FingReaper;c-2055367" wrote:
What a joke--Have you played GDI? There's NO balance between GDI & NOD look at the top scores in developed worlds. Especially in worlds that Alliances can only be ALL of one type. Suspect there's no effort from Admin to bother fixing this issue

Yes, we see that there is a disparate number of Nod players in the end game. But that's due to a multitude of factors that are a bit more tricky to balance then just the Cobra.

> @EE_Elephterion said:

> Yes, we see that there is a disparate number of Nod players in the end game. But that's due to a multitude of factors that are a bit more tricky to balance then just the Cobra.

Your reply while not disputing our premise; does not indicate any urgency / motivation to address & resolve this issue.

tragic...

Well, rather then giving Orca a Shield, how about upping the range to 2.5?