Both of the flags on The Mayflower are incorrect

Arlandria606 wrote:
Wait, wait... I made a long-winded post correcting people and I'm not being flamed and attacked in poorly written English?

I officially LOVE this place. <3 Thanks!

Arlandria606 wrote:
Wait, wait... I made a long-winded post correcting people and I'm not being flamed and attacked in poorly written English?

I officially LOVE this place. <3 Thanks!

Undaunted-001 wrote:

Arlandria606 wrote:
Wait, wait... I made a long-winded post correcting people and I'm not being flamed and attacked in poorly written English?

I officially LOVE this place. <3 Thanks!

:lol: that's another thread lol. I'm not one for gramma as long as you get your point across that's all that matter :thumbup:

jkeeney73635 wrote:

Arlandria606 wrote:
Wait, wait... I made a long-winded post correcting people and I'm not being flamed and attacked in poorly written English?

I officially LOVE this place. <3 Thanks!

you could have typed in a cockney accent. Probably spelt that wrong lol.

paul4ro wrote:

Arlandria606 wrote:
I'm far less concerned by the "mistakes" made on the ship than I am by the mistakes made on this forum discussing it.

The Union Jack is only called so when it's on a ship. Otherwise it's the Union Flag. (Yes, I know this is debated, but that's the strict definitions.)

It also doesn't represent Britain; it represents the United Kingdom. They are not the same things (Great Britain doesn't include Northern Ireland - it's "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", to give it its full title).

As for the UK being part of Europe, well, that's largely irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion, but. The UK is part of the European Union, which isn't the same thing as being part of "Europe", though it does depend on exactly what you mean when you say "Europe" - i.e. whether it's the continent, economy, etc. Since the UK doesn't even use the Euro and is separated from the continent (as GB is an island, as is Ireland) it's arguable that it's not part of either, strictly speaking. It's definitely not comparable to, say, Seattle being part of the USA. It's not like each country in the EU is a "state" of Europe. There are far too many differences to think of it that way.

And Marco, for the rest of your comment, people in the UK are, and should be, taught about countries close to them because they're part of shared history. Royal families of the UK have a history going waaaaaaay back of intermingling with and marrying royals from neighbouring countries. People in the USA are, and should be, taught about the UK because that's where the majority of its founding population came from. The UK's history is, for the most part, the USA's history. And yes, knowing about any other country makes you "international". It doesn't matter how far away from your home country that country is.

That said, all the comments about people in the UK not knowing the difference and flying it upside down are bang on. Just goes to show how little people are taught these days. Maybe they're all too busy learning about China and starting threads on the Mulan forums about how historically inaccurate that is.

Looks like you need cork moved. And for thenrecodd I am part Irish and I don't assume all of the UK is Brittan. You Assume a lot. Some of know then different countries.
You need to take that cork out of your backside that Stephen Fry put it up there. Seriously, this recent phenomenon of excessive (and incorrect) snobbish pedantry of those believing themselves to have some sort of misplaced sense of intellectual superiority after watching an incorrect episode of Qi really is pathetic.

The "strict" definition you speak of does not exist. The Oxford dictionary prefers Union Jack so that is what will do for me.

The UK is part of Europe -- it is on the European continental shelf.

Words often have more than one meaning, and "Britain" is frequent political shorthand for the whole United Kingdom (and I'm from Northern Ireland and don't care).

paul4ro wrote:

Arlandria606 wrote:
I'm far less concerned by the "mistakes" made on the ship than I am by the mistakes made on this forum discussing it.

The Union Jack is only called so when it's on a ship. Otherwise it's the Union Flag. (Yes, I know this is debated, but that's the strict definitions.)

It also doesn't represent Britain; it represents the United Kingdom. They are not the same things (Great Britain doesn't include Northern Ireland - it's "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", to give it its full title).

As for the UK being part of Europe, well, that's largely irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion, but. The UK is part of the European Union, which isn't the same thing as being part of "Europe", though it does depend on exactly what you mean when you say "Europe" - i.e. whether it's the continent, economy, etc. Since the UK doesn't even use the Euro and is separated from the continent (as GB is an island, as is Ireland) it's arguable that it's not part of either, strictly speaking. It's definitely not comparable to, say, Seattle being part of the USA. It's not like each country in the EU is a "state" of Europe. There are far too many differences to think of it that way.

And Marco, for the rest of your comment, people in the UK are, and should be, taught about countries close to them because they're part of shared history. Royal families of the UK have a history going waaaaaaay back of intermingling with and marrying royals from neighbouring countries. People in the USA are, and should be, taught about the UK because that's where the majority of its founding population came from. The UK's history is, for the most part, the USA's history. And yes, knowing about any other country makes you "international". It doesn't matter how far away from your home country that country is.

That said, all the comments about people in the UK not knowing the difference and flying it upside down are bang on. Just goes to show how little people are taught these days. Maybe they're all too busy learning about China and starting threads on the Mulan forums about how historically inaccurate that is.

You need to take that cork out of your backside that Stephen Fry put it up there. Seriously, this recent phenomenon of excessive (and incorrect) snobbish pedantry of those believing themselves to have some sort of misplaced sense of intellectual superiority after watching an incorrect episode of Qi really is pathetic.

The "strict" definition you speak of does not exist. The Oxford dictionary prefers Union Jack so that is what will do for me.

The UK is part of Europe -- it is on the European continental shelf.

Words often have more than one meaning, and "Britain" is frequent political shorthand for the whole United Kingdom (and I'm from Northern Ireland and don't care).

Arlandria606 wrote:

paul4ro wrote:

Arlandria606 wrote:
I'm far less concerned by the "mistakes" made on the ship than I am by the mistakes made on this forum discussing it.

The Union Jack is only called so when it's on a ship. Otherwise it's the Union Flag. (Yes, I know this is debated, but that's the strict definitions.)

It also doesn't represent Britain; it represents the United Kingdom. They are not the same things (Great Britain doesn't include Northern Ireland - it's "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", to give it its full title).

As for the UK being part of Europe, well, that's largely irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion, but. The UK is part of the European Union, which isn't the same thing as being part of "Europe", though it does depend on exactly what you mean when you say "Europe" - i.e. whether it's the continent, economy, etc. Since the UK doesn't even use the Euro and is separated from the continent (as GB is an island, as is Ireland) it's arguable that it's not part of either, strictly speaking. It's definitely not comparable to, say, Seattle being part of the USA. It's not like each country in the EU is a "state" of Europe. There are far too many differences to think of it that way.

And Marco, for the rest of your comment, people in the UK are, and should be, taught about countries close to them because they're part of shared history. Royal families of the UK have a history going waaaaaaay back of intermingling with and marrying royals from neighbouring countries. People in the USA are, and should be, taught about the UK because that's where the majority of its founding population came from. The UK's history is, for the most part, the USA's history. And yes, knowing about any other country makes you "international". It doesn't matter how far away from your home country that country is.

That said, all the comments about people in the UK not knowing the difference and flying it upside down are bang on. Just goes to show how little people are taught these days. Maybe they're all too busy learning about China and starting threads on the Mulan forums about how historically inaccurate that is.

You need to take that cork out of your backside that Stephen Fry put it up there. Seriously, this recent phenomenon of excessive (and incorrect) snobbish pedantry of those believing themselves to have some sort of misplaced sense of intellectual superiority after watching an incorrect episode of Qi really is pathetic.

The "strict" definition you speak of does not exist. The Oxford dictionary prefers Union Jack so that is what will do for me.

The UK is part of Europe -- it is on the European continental shelf.

Words often have more than one meaning, and "Britain" is frequent political shorthand for the whole United Kingdom (and I'm from Northern Ireland and don't care).

I don't mean to be rude, but I think you need to examine your reading comprehension.

Quite apart from the assumptions you've made about me personally (i.e. that I watch Qi, like Stephen Fry, and have a backside up which a cork could be put), you're trying to call me out as wrong based on shortcomings or flaws in my post, all of which I acknowledged within the post itself, and none of which I presented as my personal opinion.

Also, where you're from has no relevance to your opinion. You don't get extra brownie points as a credible source because you live in the UK. The fact is that Great Britain is not the same thing as the United Kingdom. Mass appropriation of mis-referencing is not a justification for doing so, the same way millions of people liking <insert popular musical artist you dislike here> does not make them an excellent judge of talent.

jkeeney73635 wrote:

You have your head so far up you own a s s. First I am an American and I never assumend anything until you last post. I thought Americans we screwed up, you now provec me wrong, I given two squats where you are from.