[DISCUSS + FAQ] Clash of Clones

OnePoundBeef wrote:

nascarchamp0 wrote:
It was my understanding that Easter never be mentioned again.

Neo, on behalf of the forum I request the word ' easter' and phrase 'easter event' automatically be replaced with the phrase 'unmentionable event'.

Easter, Easter Fences, Easter egg piles, Easter bunnies, Easter glitches.......Easter, Easter, Easter, don't you just love it? (just in case, I get it out of my system already)


Back on topic, another question : do you need nerds in your town to be able to click on the defense shields?

Neglecterino wrote:


So with a friend you can reciprocate with:
Reciprocal win attack/lose defense: (97+50 E, 42+25 G) = (147 E, 67 G)
Reciprocal lose attack/win defense: (30+100 E, 6+50 G) = (130 E, 56 G)
Reciprocal win attack/win defense: (97+100 E,42+50 G) = (197 E, 92 G)
Reciprocal lose attack/lose defense: (30+50 E, 6+25 G) = ( 80 E, 31 G)


What do you think?

Thanks for the math!
However, you cannot both "win attack/win defense" or "lose/lose"

If you attack and he defends his springfield, then you lose. You cannot both win the attack and win the defense.

So, if we are to look into your helpful chart, here is what we see:
A successful attack brings you (147 E, 67 G), while a successful defense (130 E, 56 G).
As turns out, there isn't much of a difference between neighbors.


But if we are to only raid random springfields, then the rewards increase dramatically if the attack is successful. In which case, the best strategy would be for people to attack RANDOM springfields while NOT defending their own.

Pokelon wrote:
Don't I just love your maths. :mrgreen: (phew, there's that headache again :lol: )
Is your assumption based on one nerd per house, or it doesn't matter maybe?
What about when you let them win, you reconstruct, you win something as well no?

The nerd count per house is not included in the calculation, but obviously needs to be considered in the big picture.

When/If you let them win then you lose the defense. I included that.

So an issue is that letting someone win is going to take time, no matter how many nerds you use. And it will get to take more and more time as we level up. Yet if you defended then you'd both get something and it would free the house for another attack. Hence, I'm really thinking that using 1 nerd per attack is the way to go, and that you should defend all attacks. Even if cooperating. Hence the second scenario would apply, which was
Reciprocal lose attack/win defense: (30+100 E, 6+50 G) = (130 E, 56 G)
which isn't a bad pay out. You'd both get that amount. Also, this clears your castle for yet another attack/defense.

philX3X wrote:

Neglecterino wrote:


So with a friend you can reciprocate with:
Reciprocal win attack/lose defense: (97+50 E, 42+25 G) = (147 E, 67 G)
Reciprocal lose attack/win defense: (30+100 E, 6+50 G) = (130 E, 56 G)
Reciprocal win attack/win defense: (97+100 E,42+50 G) = (197 E, 92 G)
Reciprocal lose attack/lose defense: (30+50 E, 6+25 G) = ( 80 E, 31 G)


What do you think?

Thanks for the math!
However, you cannot both "win attack/win defense" or "lose/lose"

If you attack and he defends his springfield, then you lose. You cannot both win the attack and win the defense.

So, if we are to look into your helpful chart, here is what we see:
A successful attack brings you (147 E, 67 G), while a successful defense (130 E, 56 G).
As turns out, there isn't much of a difference between neighbors.


But if we are to only raid random springfields, then the rewards increase dramatically if the attack is successful. In which case, the best strategy would be for people to attack RANDOM springfields while NOT defending their own.

Sorry if the wording is confusing. If you attack and he defends, then you lose the attack, otherwise you win the attack. If he attacks, and you defend then you win the defense, otherwise you lose. So you can win your attack and win defense of his attack. Or you could play to lose your attack and win your defense etc.

I agree that the first two are not much different. I'd go for defense, per my second post above.

You can win a lot on those random attacks, but only if you win.

I don't know what the best strategy is but I've been attacking random castles and using as many nerds as possible and now I feel like I've been wasting them. You never know if you'll win or lose and I'm not a gambler. I'm going to spend one need per house/castle on my friends' Springfields and see how that goes. When I get Cheater 20s, I'll spend those on random castles to get the max reward.

socialjoy wrote:
I don't know what the best strategy is but I've been attacking random castles and using as many nerds as possible and now I feel like I've been wasting them. You never know if you'll win or lose and I'm not a gambler. I'm going to spend one need per house/castle on my friends' Springfields and see how that goes. When I get Cheater 20s, I'll spend those on random castles to get the max reward.

:thumbup:

Problem with waiting.

Suppose Neglecterino (ahem) comes to my town and attacks five houses with one nerd each. And I want him to "win" by waiting the hours without clearing my shield.

If i follow that same pattern, that means that, because I have 70 neighbors and only about 30 attackable " houses", I could only accommodate (counting on fingers) 6 of my 70 neighbors. The rest will arrive and scroll my whole town to find zilch.

Thoughts?

philX3X wrote:

Neglecterino wrote:


So with a friend you can reciprocate with:
Reciprocal win attack/lose defense: (97+50 E, 42+25 G) = (147 E, 67 G)
Reciprocal lose attack/win defense: (30+100 E, 6+50 G) = (130 E, 56 G)
Reciprocal win attack/win defense: (97+100 E,42+50 G) = (197 E, 92 G)
Reciprocal lose attack/lose defense: (30+50 E, 6+25 G) = ( 80 E, 31 G)


What do you think?

Thanks for the math!
However, you cannot both "win attack/win defense" or "lose/lose"

If you attack and he defends his springfield, then you lose. You cannot both win the attack and win the defense.

So, if we are to look into your helpful chart, here is what we see:
A successful attack brings you (147 E, 67 G), while a successful defense (130 E, 56 G).
As turns out, there isn't much of a difference between neighbors.


But if we are to only raid random springfields, then the rewards increase dramatically if the attack is successful. In which case, the best strategy would be for people to attack RANDOM springfields while NOT defending their own.

That bolded line above...

This would be true, if not for some issue with that strategy. First is human nature; how would we get people to not defend against an unknown attacker? Second is the time it takes for the attacks to finish; in the meantime if we defended then we could be attacked and defend again on that building. Third is a current bug that visiting KL clears all the shields and you both get nothing!

Hence attacking random SFs is a gamble; unless you use the cheaters and then it pays!

Thanks for the feedback.

annettemarc wrote:
Problem with waiting.

Suppose Neglecterino (ahem) comes to my town and attacks five houses with one nerd each. And I want him to "win" by waiting the hours without clearing my shield.

If i follow that same pattern, that means that, because I have 70 neighbors and only about 30 attackable " houses", I could only accommodate (counting on fingers) 6 of my 70 neighbors. The rest will arrive and scroll my whole town to find zilch.

Thoughts?

Exactly. Which is why in my second post I said I'd go with losing my attack and winning my defense. Also the KL bug.

Prisoner's Dilemma.