Donut Farming Newbie, Advice please

"alapalme;1561568" wrote:

"sflowers330;1561507" wrote:
If you're farming bonus boxes, you'll end up opening lots. On average you'll pay $50k for every bonus box opened. Unless you have a multiplier which would get you another bonus from the 50k (3500%ish) you should always pay to 3.

This is incorrect. That was the point on building the simulator I linked earlier. I'm at 733℅ + SH and with the collider I need to spend 109k to get another bonus. It's still more cost effective for me to stop at 2 donuts, and soon enough to stop at the first box.

Try the simulator to see. Someone did the math in another post and came to the same conclusion

The reason is this:
My 109k has a 1/3 chance of giving 3, 2 or 1 donuts
That's an average of 2 donuts for 55k each. So on the front it seems like the 50k for the second and third box is a good deal. The problem is if you open the first box and it's 2 donuts, the next box might be 1, costing you 100k just to go from 2 to 3 donuts.

At my multiplier each strategy is pretty close but at about 800℅ + sh it's always more profitable to stop at 2 donuts

I didn't think so either until I wrote the simulator

Sorry but you're incorrect.

Thanks but I've done the math, and confirmed with observation. The average cost is 50k.

One chance of chance of 3 in the first round (33%). Zero cost.
Two chances of 3 in the second round. (17% each) costing 50k each.
Two chances of 3 in the third round (17% each). Costing 100k each.

Multiply the cost by the probability and sum, you'll see the average cost of getting three donuts is $50k.

"ArmpitAttack;1561684" wrote:

"Jonalinn;1561580" wrote:
When I receive 3 boxes to open, I always play until I receive 3 donuts.

Yes, as YesMan would say. I think this stopping-at-2 thing is an illusion. How does that earn you more donuts in the long run again? Because i just earned more donuts than you in the short term by taking the 3 , and since i repeat that every 4 hours that means many more examples of earning more donuts in the long term too. My cash already stays even, so i can keep grabbing the 3 forever with no problems, and my farm plot size is already full so i wont be adding any volume to it based on reduced donut box costs. So the whole McDonald's style Pick 2 thing looks silly to me. Maybe it makes more sense in other people's systems who do alter their farm size based on their donut picking luck each round.

Like I mentioned, I'm just casual about this. I have more than enough currency so I just play until I reach 3 donuts. Truth be told, I don't even really need the donuts as I'm able to generate thousands a day (if I want to sit there and tap until I'm nauseous lol) from bloodmobiles.

I just did a whole bunch of mobile math and posted the wrong thing I'll wait till I'm at a pc.

Three 50k for three donuts is correct but doesn't consider the initial investment

The simulator tallies all expenses and rewards and my real testing Comes to the same result

When including the initial cost and comparing the two strategies, the stop at 2 becomes more profitable at around 800 % + sh and Collider.

Feel free to play how you like in any case! I'll trust the simulation.

Have fun!

I'm able to log in multiple times per day and use this simple strategy:
XP Collider always on.
I buy 25 KEM's. I'll buy one at $14,400 then I stop. I can do this up to 5 times a day.
I go for 3 donuts every time
I get 2 boxes each round of KEM farming.
This means up to 30 donuts a day, plus what I get through normal level ups. I'm at level 939 and clicking characters and buildings seems to add more than one donut box per day, I haven't tracked my daily XP, but when I have all characters on 24 hour tasks, I seem to complete a full level when I clear their jobs, plus the buildings which are ready to collect from. Plus, find Maggie, and the weekly railyard donuts. Got one box of donuts after act 1 completed, should get maybe 2-3 more.
Eventually, as my multiplier grows I'll get more.

I've tried getting 100 to 400 KEM's at a time but it's a major pain placing, clicking, then selling a large number back. Besides, I'm low on cash now, still need 12 pieces of land. Also, doing it this way means I'm not investing as much as many of you are as $14,400 per KEM when you get more than 25 adds up! Once I have all the land, I'll think about reassessing. I can earn over $2 million a day when there is no event going on.

Everyone's game is different. some can get thousands of donuts each week, some struggle to get a few. This isn't a competition with each other, it's all about having fun.

Alright you math people! Check this programmer's math!

My simulator says at 733% I get a better ratio for the 'stop at 2' donuts than the 'stop at 3 donuts' strategy and here's my math to back it up!

FOR THE STOP AT 2 STRAT:

109k in KEM costs after refund to trigger a bonus round.

1/3 chances of 3 donuts for an additional 0k
1/3 chances of 2 donuts for an additional 0k
1/3 chances for an additional 50k at
   1/2 chance of 2 donuts
   1/2 chance of 3 donuts

That comes to
2/3 chances of 2.5 donuts for an added 0k
1/3 chances of 2.5 donuts for an added 50k

THAT comes to
2.5 donuts per extra 16.67k
or 2.5 donuts per 125.67k

That works out to a ratio of 50.2k per donut for the stop at 2 strategy.
If I play always to 3 donuts, as demonstrated by earlier posters, the average cost is 50k on top of your investment, so 159k, working out to 53K per donut.

SO: Stopping at 2, for me gives me 1 donut for every 50.2K spent, and stopping at 3 donuts gives me 1 donut for every 53K spent. My math shows it, the simulator shows it-- so if I'm wrong, where did I go wrong?

Have at IT!!

"chaffey1973;1561712" wrote:
I'm able to log in multiple times per day and use this simple strategy:
XP Collider always on.
I buy 25 KEM's. I'll buy one at $14,400 then I stop. I can do this up to 5 times a day.
I go for 3 donuts every time
I get 2 boxes each round of KEM farming.
This means up to 30 donuts a day, plus what I get through normal level ups. I'm at level 939 and clicking characters and buildings seems to add more than one donut box per day, I haven't tracked my daily XP, but when I have all characters on 24 hour tasks, I seem to complete a full level when I clear their jobs, plus the buildings which are ready to collect from. Plus, find Maggie, and the weekly railyard donuts. Got one box of donuts after act 1 completed, should get maybe 2-3 more.
Eventually, as my multiplier grows I'll get more.

I've tried getting 100 to 400 KEM's at a time but it's a major pain placing, clicking, then selling a large number back. Besides, I'm low on cash now, still need 12 pieces of land. Also, doing it this way means I'm not investing as much as many of you are as $14,400 per KEM when you get more than 25 adds up! Once I have all the land, I'll think about reassessing. I can earn over $2 million a day when there is no event going on.

Everyone's game is different. some can get thousands of donuts each week, some struggle to get a few. This isn't a competition with each other, it's all about having fun.

Just curious.. what is your bonus percentage?

For me, I purchase 40 bloodmobiles at a time, collect around 300 donuts and then sell them back. I've never done KEM farming as it seems too complicated for me. I'm in and out quickly.

Ah. That is where we differ. My priority is to get the most possible donuts at all costs. If you are constrained by space and not cash then indeed go for the three donuts!

I've never had any significant house farm and I've kept my town for the most part well designed so I do not have any substantial cash reverse at all.

I keep my credit at one million. After clearing tasks and buildings I spend everything on KEM until I'm back to 1 million. My limiting factor is cash and so the stop at 2 strategy works here.

I should then amend to make it clear, the point of changing strategies is to optimize donuts per cash.

If you are limited by space or time and you just want to offload a bunch of cash then sure, do the three!

If you are grinding for donuts with no reserver cash, take my simulator results!

Take care

"Jonalinn;1561720" wrote:

"chaffey1973;1561712" wrote:
I'm able to log in multiple times per day and use this simple strategy:
XP Collider always on.
I buy 25 KEM's. I'll buy one at $14,400 then I stop. I can do this up to 5 times a day.
I go for 3 donuts every time
I get 2 boxes each round of KEM farming.
This means up to 30 donuts a day, plus what I get through normal level ups. I'm at level 939 and clicking characters and buildings seems to add more than one donut box per day, I haven't tracked my daily XP, but when I have all characters on 24 hour tasks, I seem to complete a full level when I clear their jobs, plus the buildings which are ready to collect from. Plus, find Maggie, and the weekly railyard donuts. Got one box of donuts after act 1 completed, should get maybe 2-3 more.
Eventually, as my multiplier grows I'll get more.

I've tried getting 100 to 400 KEM's at a time but it's a major pain placing, clicking, then selling a large number back. Besides, I'm low on cash now, still need 12 pieces of land. Also, doing it this way means I'm not investing as much as many of you are as $14,400 per KEM when you get more than 25 adds up! Once I have all the land, I'll think about reassessing. I can earn over $2 million a day when there is no event going on.

Everyone's game is different. some can get thousands of donuts each week, some struggle to get a few. This isn't a competition with each other, it's all about having fun.

Just curious.. what is your bonus percentage?

For me, I purchase 40 bloodmobiles at a time, collect around 300 donuts and then sell them back. I've never done KEM farming as it seems too complicated for me. I'm in and out quickly.

This is what I do, but I don't get 300 donuts for 40 bloodmobiles. What's your percentage at. I'm just over 1000%, not including SH. I think that puts me at 1150%?

"rockyb2006;1561746" wrote:


This is what I do, but I don't get 300 donuts for 40 bloodmobiles. What's your percentage at. I'm just over 1000%, not including SH. I think that puts me at 1150%?

Just a smidge under 3000%. I should reach beyond that sometime this week. I know everyone likes to play the game differently, but I focus more on town design which is why I never house/KEM farm.

If I farm 40 bloodmobiles, say 5x a day, I wind up with about 1500 donuts/day. Once I reached over 20k, donuts, I sort of stopped farming. Now, I only do it on an as-needed basis.

"Jonalinn;1561720" wrote:


Just curious.. what is your bonus percentage?

For me, I purchase 40 bloodmobiles at a time, collect around 300 donuts and then sell them back. I've never done KEM farming as it seems too complicated for me. I'm in and out quickly.

I think it's 485.9%. I absolutely hate the SH buildings (At least they are all upgraded to the max!) and had them stored until the new land came out, so put them back out. But I still hate them! It didn't matter to me for months I was losing donuts by keeping those stored. I have about 560 donuts right now and am not buying everything new, except characters since they pay better than buildings. I don't buy all the new items which come with multipliers, but I did capitalize awhile back when the SH tennis courts came out. I could have gotten a lot more of those but it's such a grind refilling the inventory. I had the SH resources so full after that last 2 strip expansion I was able to buy the new SH water without going under 300 in any of them. I also got those wailing walls a couple Halloween events back with the multipliers.

i may buy a set or two of the country flags, with the 7% multipler. I already have them but going to wait to make sure I have enough donutes for whatever else comes our way before Destination Springfield is over.

I've tried the bloodmobile route but it eats the cash quickly. If I ever approach your levels, I would certainly go your route. However, building and clearing 25 KEM's every four hours is pretty easy. This strategy will work for many around my levels, especially now, if they are buying land and low on cash.

Started play early December 2014, took a few weeks off and resumed after Christmas Day. I didn't get much from the Xmas event, it never actually started for me. I remember "Pretend to Ski" jobs for a few characters, but I never got the elf cannon and whatever game you played with it. My daily log in bonus gave me plenty of ammo for the cannon, I just didn't know what to do with it! I did get a few freemium things for my game; the ToyShop, Elf Cave, and the Barbarian with the castle. All those are gone now and maybe return for donuts.