Relic Delta – The Solution to a problem that doesn’t exist
As a guild leader of a top 100 guild, here are my thoughts regarding this Relic Delta situation. Please articulate to the players “What is the problem you are trying to solve”? I work with large projects in industry and I realize there are Sunk Costs that cannot be recovered. However, Is this strategy to “fix” the perceived problem a success if a large section of the player base disappears? I have asked my player base which is a combination of whales, dolphins, and basic monthly spenders ranging from 12M GP – 15M GP what they think about this, and it is literally 100% negative. The players don’t understand why this Relic Delta is needed as it seems you are rolling out a change to a problem that doesn’t exist. The primary frustration is that this change nullifies the years of Modding and Strategic Relic upgrades and years of roster effort and pretty much eliminates creative play (which is the most enjoyable part of the game). I doubt a developer may understand that sentiment, but it is VERY important to the players. These are players that love the game and most are sick over this. I already have messages from players stating they will retire from the game if this rolls out. The best suggestions that came in from my guild were: Simply increase the mastery of Relic 9 from 10 to 15. Increment certain stats on the current higher Relics. Roll out a new Relic 10. Whales will spend on that, leaving the rest of the player base to continue their progression as-is. I personally think that any of those, and many others in the forums, are easy fixes to the problem without introducing MANY MANY more issues to the game that would come from this Relic Delta strategy, and hopefully leave the player base intact. At this point you have a choice to make. Continue ahead with this flawed approach that the overwhelming majority of the player base does not even want - and risk a substantial percentage of players dropping out of the game. OR Cease and Desist all work on this change (unfortunately eat the costs already spent) and work on a different approach to solving your perceived issue.Enough is Enough. Stop Spending Money.
UPDATE 19/12. So I decided to quit over a week ago, after 8+ long years and a huge amount of money spent. It wasn't easy, but Im glad I did. I started playing raid shadow legends. While its a complete money sink as well, its actually fun and the developers actually care about their playerbase giving a significant amount of free gifts regularly. My only advice for anyone else making the switch is to be patient. There is so much more fun content than SWGOH and I've experienced ZERO bugs so far (Take notes CG). The reason for my update is to just give any other long term players that are thinking about quitting, the confidence to jump ship. Cut your losses with CG. SWGOH unfortunately feels dead. The ship is sinking and Im glad I made the decision to jump off. _________________________________________________ Long time player here. I estimate I've spent $50k+ (AU) on the game. I love Star Wars, which is what drew me to this game in 2017. I spent money to take Luke to 7 stars. I won't be doing this again as its completely pointless and borderline theft, seeing as we were not adequately informed that our investment in a 7-star Luke will not be given to us until after 90 days. What's more concerning than the boring, slap in the face, greedy recent update, are the constant bugs and the lack of communication with the player base. It truly feels like an insult that they have not responded to any concerns and have completely pay-walled new game modes. They have moved past what the essence of a game is meant to be, first and foremost. FUN. Capital Games is in control of one of the (if not THE) biggest IP's that Disney owns, Star Wars, for the Mobile Gaming platform. Not only has the recent mishandling of their 10 year update left a sour taste in the mouths of all players with Capital Games, but it's also effected how I and others feel about Star Wars as a whole. While there hasn't been any recent Star Wars content through Disney, SWGOH is arguably the biggest product that gives Star Wars fans their Star Wars fix. If I were Disney, I would be taking a huge look into this misuse of their IP, because right now, Capital Games are the joke of their industry. I urge all players....STOP SPENDING MONEY. Frankly, the people at Capital Games do not deserve your money. They have just proved time and time again, they are an amateur gaming development company and should not be in control of producing Star Wars content on the Mobile Gaming platform. This has been completely unacceptable, especially for those long-term players who have invested such a significant amount of money into the game. Enough is Enough.
Death Update. Relic Delta/Coliseum/Era of Anniversary
I loved this game very much and devoted 10 years to it. It pains me to realize that this game is no longer a pleasant escape, but a conveyor belt of mindless tapping.😭😭😭 For more than 5 years, players have been calling on developers to fix visual bugs and bugs that affect the outcome of the game, such as the bug where ability buttons disappear. They asked you to revive the regular arena, galactic wars, territory wars, and raid imbalances, but the players' requests to introduce certain units were constantly ignored and instead pirates that no one was interested in were introduced. We, the players, don't need conveyor belt updates! Many of us are willing to donate, but not for more nonsense, like more tokens for something or other. You would make much more money if you started selling sets of top modules for $$$, small data cards for ready-made Zeta abilities. How about selling full-Zeta (not a piece) for $5-8? So, know this: people would much rather buy a top-of-the-line set of modules for $25-30, than crystals for yet another useless thing. We don't need dozens of new characters if we have to literally live in the game to level them up. It's a game, not a job!🤬 You know what else you could do? A training table; Really relevant and worthwhile rewards on TW; Unlimited space in the module warehouse, or at least 1000+ slots; Tournaments; Friendly battles; The new Capital ship, that everyone has been waiting for; In-game auctions; Expanded resource exchange; Flea market; Seasonal events, such as New Year's; Separation of players who donate and those who do not donate; Addition of relevant fragments of Conquest characters that should have appeared in the pink currency store a long time ago; Reduction of a million types of currencies; Paid characters for fans that do not affect the game, such as Coruscant Police or Ugnot; Clickable name of the guild's opponent so you don't have to bypass YOUR BUG with "??????? ??? ?????" through third-party services; More lenient KAM and Vat Tambor drops for guilds that choose RoTE; Sale of 1 piece of omicron for $1; Yes, your own server tool for GA and TW, even with a subscription! A raid for the fleet in the end. But you chose relic delta to mess with the game balance and a new mode that doesn't look interesting, but looks like another unprofitable and boring routine of poking at a bunch of buttons. You spat in our love for your game. I'll only return to the game when you're busy with really important things! PLEASE!!! Focus on improving the existing gameplay rather than inventing a new one when the old one isn't working well enough!The death of strategy in swgoh
Delta seems to have killed the entire basis of what attracted me to this game, beyond that it's star wars. I'd expect I'm not alone in that. A large part of what's made this game fun over the years is facing a difficult task, be that a strong pvp team, a difficult assault battle, a difficult character unlock event, etc, then reading kits, figuring out synergies, and developing creative strategies to overcome. That aspect of the game has seemingly died, by design. Tried a few different high relic comps against the assault battles yesterday, and it just didn't matter what my comps were anymore. My high relic characters were able to just brute force their way through everything. Did some tooling around in character events I'd preciously done, like the gas event, the DR and malak events, and the 3p0 event. Strategy is no longer necessary. Just take your characters to high relics and you're done. Which really means, open your wallet and your done. Thought is no longer required. Half my pvp defense is pretty well **bleep** because they're not all high relic across the board, so single members of the teams can be sniped out and the teams fall apart. That's not strategic. It requires no thought. By my view, the death of strategy in this game is the death of fun in this game. Well done CG. You've finally done it. You've sucked the last semblance of fun out of this game and have made it a daily chore. Well done.The Era mode is the death of swgoh
As a HEAVY spender, I say this unapologetically. The facts are crystal clear. SWGOH is no longer enjoyable. FTP = no win/no fun. Pay = no win/no fun. This game has become a complete money grab. With all the new currencies, hard caps on leveling, gated progress throughout the whole experience in Coliseum and character advancement. Plus, removing the ONE sandbox element we had in the galactic challenges that allowed us to test teams, etc., and replacing it with an insulting "Era Challenge", was the final nail in the coffin. To make it even worse, the rewards for these new "Era Challenges" are a complete f'ng joke. 1600 era currency for completing the last tier? Give me a break. What an insult... 400 crystals gets one 11k minimum from the store. Tossing scraps as an attempt keep the peasants happy while you steal their cows and **bleep** their bank accounts is the reality. You took a game that we all enjoyed, and bent us ALL over. Thank you for the extreme eye opener. We all see what is important to you. It's glaringly evident that it's not your customers or the fans of the IP that you are so lucky to be working on. You should be ashamed of your actions and attempts at shoving this usury down the throats of people worldwide.DEVS Please Fix GAC
First off, let me be clear: If you are a whale If you're in Aurorium or higher If you have more than 6 GL This ISN'T for you, and please keep your opinions to yourself. Capital Games developers, can you please do something - anything about the absolutely horrendous match making in GAC? I feel very strongly that for Carbonite, Bronzium, and Chromium matchmaking should be filtered first by GP, then GL count, and then relic count. Getting brackets looking like this is absurd (see images). Not to mention the guy with 13M GP and literally every GL shouldn't even be allowed in lower ranks to begin with. If you have an account that filled out, I don't care if you've been inactive for the last 5 years - you still belong in Aurorium so other people have a chance of fair, decent matchmaking. If that's too difficult to implement, then make GP the very first criteria for matchmaking in the first 3 ranks. Let all the high GP players get stuck together, so lower players have a chance to grow, and have decent matches that they can enjoy. I feel sorry for the guys at 6M GP or lower in Chromium. They're literally stuck because of this completely absurd matchmaking. I also detest these lazy, high GP players intentionally dropping ranks for easy wins. Seriously what the heck guys? Aurorium & Kyber I can understand not caring much about GP. Most of those guys have crazy rosters, and can counter GL without using their own more often than not. Good mods, good teams, plenty of experience. Everyone else does not have the same capability because their rosters aren't full, or they lack experience, or a combination of both. I have members in my guild with 1-2 GL in Carbonite who are stuck because most of their units are Gear 12 or lower, being matched with people who have 4-5 GL. Some of them don't even bother signing up for GAC anymore - both returning players and new players alike. Seriously CG, please change matchmaking for lower ranks. The setup is horrible no matter how you look at it now that there are GL, and with new teams that make almost all original teams obsolete. Maybe it's time to think about how that affects the majority of players who aren't at the top, or even near to it...
Relic Delta = The Death of SWGOH
I’ve played SWGOH for years. I’ve stayed free-to-play, but many of my friends have spent thousands keeping this game alive. Every single one of them has already said the same thing: if Relic Delta launches, they’re gone. And honestly, so am I. Relic Delta is not a “tweakable” feature. It’s not something you can reduce, test, or slowly slide into the game. It’s fundamentally destructive: It kills strategy. The fun of SWGOH has always been finding ways to beat stronger rosters with smart play. Relic Delta removes that. It punishes investment in mods, counters, and mechanics. All that matters is raw relic levels. It widens the gap between F2P and spenders, and even spenders are saying they’re done. If the people who have funded this game walk away, how do you think this ends? It turns every mode into stat-check garbage. GAC, TW, raids, even PvE — all ruined. And here’s the point that needs to land: We don’t care if you lower the percentages. We don’t care if you limit where it applies. We don’t care if you call it “experimental.” We do not want Relic Delta in the game. Period. CG, you want money? Then give us what the community has been begging for for years: KOTOR characters, Force Unleashed, Legends, Expanded Universe content. I know tons of people who would instantly spend for Darth Plagueis, Starkiller expansions, or other beloved legends. How the hell are you so blind? Stop pushing mechanics nobody asked for. Start giving us content people will actually pay for. No Relic Delta. Ever
GAC squishing
Another season begins, another squish is happening. You gotta stop this, this is the 4th time in a row that I'm losing 70 points or so. You have no idea how frustrating it is to fight opponents with much more GP than you, win more than lose, and yet lost points and eventually drop to k3 instead of climb to k1 because of this nonsense. You got to stop the squishing.
Relic Delta "Response" Feedback
CG, No. Full stop, just no. I watched Ahnald and the feedback/response you gave to influencers to share with their communities. This is NOT what we wanted. Again, I will reiterate until I am blue in the face if I have to. SCRAP IT. Full stop. I'm sorry you are going to lose the money and time you put into something nobody wants, but that's the thing NOBODY WANTS THIS. The adjustments you made still stomp on the idea of strategy in this game. Again, ANY VERSION, of Relic Delta, HURTS the health of the game, period. I promise you, you will LOSE MORE by implementing this rather than scrapping it. However, what saddens me is that you truly are tone deaf. I can already tell that this WILL be implemented and you just decided to tell us so we could get all of our frustrations out now. I fear that you don't actually care about the feedback we are providing you and instead giving us the illusion we have a choice. You said in your statement that you knew this would be received poorly; so WHY? So why implement it, why even start the process of making it? It doesn't make sense. Other than money. Here is the thing though, I promise you, you would make infinitely more money from giving us what we actually want. Rather than forcing Relic Delta on us and expecting us to just fork over money to increase our relics so we don't have to strategize anymore. This is just sad, I'm watching a community I have been apart of be torn apart from within, because you want to implement something regardless of how it affects players. Myself and plenty others have given you so many alternatives and voiced our concerns like you asked us to by providing feedback. Please don't make us feel like we are screaming into the void. This will make SWGOH take a HUGE hit. Learn from Marvel Strike Force, scrap it. Please. Thanks.Relic Delta is Not Looking Good
Just tried my first round of GAC with relic delta and it seems as bad as we'd feared. The main effect is that Galactic Legends are almost impossible to beat with off-meta counters. Most people have their legends up to r9. So unless you have, say, R9 wampa, he can't beat JTH. Unless you have your entire Cere team at r9, she can't scratch Rey. Unless your entire Mando team is at r9, they're dead against LV. The only counters to legends are other legends. So if you lose a match, too bad, GAC is over for you. This has made r9 tanks impossible to beat without r9 attackers. Their high defense already makes them hard to kill. Relic delta has amplified their defense enormously. Support characters are useless now unless at r9. I've used Hyoda at r5 for years in support. Now, the first AOE takes him out. Every tester said not to do this. They didn't listen. I don't spend a lot on this game but the wallet is closed as long as this is in the game. It's the worst pay-to-win yet.