Wait, 20% larger hitbox with the same low profile?
@apostolateofDOOM Well if she gets a bigger hitbox and low profile stays like this she'll get knocked in 2 shots lol, considering her legs and arms also take more damage now than other legends.
@Cro_PitttShe will still be half the size of path, who cant disappear and still has low profile. 🤣
The change will make her like the 3rd smallest instead of the smallest by a lot.
20% bigger in volume means roughly about 6% taller, 6% wider and 6% thicker from front to back. Doubt a scale increase of 6% on all axis would be very noticeable.
@Cro_Pittt genuinely yeah, is Low Profile really that big of a deal? I've played Lifeline / Pathfinder (Path when LL isn't available) for well over 1000 hours and I've not noticed any real difference in terms of TTK / overall durability.
Mathematically speaking, it's barely 1-2 damage increase on ARs / SMGs, mere millisecond decreases on TTK. On shotguns it's still not a noticeable decrease in TTK, as most shotguns still require 2 pumps to down a target, both with and without Low Profile.
On top of that, the changes to leg damage don't really matter either as most enemies will aim center mass. If you are in situation where you've only got 15 health and are diving for cover on a LP Legend vs. one without, it's not like the enemy will only fire 1 bullet and call it a day. If the first shot doesn't kill you, the next 5 probably will, with or without LP.
@pastaclown If the guy who's shooting you has good aim yes it is very noticeable, he can laser you quickly. But i'm not asking a complete removal of the low profile, but at least the increased damage on legs and arms should be removed, to see if it's balanced.
@Cro_Pittt If they have good aim and they lasered you it's because they have good aim and they lasered you, not because Low Profile is affecting you in any way shape or form. Mathematically again, it's a bare 1-2 damage increase, in a game where everyone mag-dumps so "it takes one less round to down a low-profile target" does not equate to, "the enemy has fired one less round."
I went ahead and did some calculations, omitting Charge Rifle and Kraber for a total of 22 weapons.
14 weapons saw no change in total rounds needed to down a target at 200 health with or without Low Profile.
8 weapons saw a TTK change at 200 health, with 7 of them being a one round decrease.
11 saw no changes at 225 health.
11 weapons saw a TTK change at 225 health, 9 of which were a one round decrease.
8 weapons saw no changes with or without Low Profile.
R99 the only weapon where Low Profile causes a 2 round decrease for both 200 and 225 health, but it's an R99, everyone magdumps so the two rounds aren't going to be noticeable.
So then I went ahead and did calculations on the TTKs that changed for both 200 and 225 health and listed the total change:
11 TTK 225 N/LP vs. LP:
Havoc: 1.07 / 0.98 (-0.09)
Alternator: 1.31 / 1.31 (No change in TTK AKA NCTTK)
Volt: 1.07 / 0.99 (-0.08)
Spitfire: 1.406 / 1.289 (-0.117)
Lstar: 1.2 / 1.1 (-0.1)
Longbow: 2.79 / 2.09 (-0.7)
RE-45: 1.44 / 1.36 (-0.08)
R301: 1.176 / 1.029 (-0.147)
R99: 1.11 / 1.0 (-0.11)
Flatline: 1.10 / 1.10 (NCTTK)
Hemlok: 1.026 / 0.933 (-0.093)
8 TTK 200 N/LP vs. LP:
G7: 1.25 / 1.25 (NCTTK)
Prowler: 0.975 / 0.90 (-0.075)
Spitfire: 1.289 / 1.17 (-0.119)
P2020: 1.813 / 1.674 (-0.139)
RE-45: 1.28 / 1.20 (-0.08)
R301: 1.029 / 0.955 (-0.074)
R99: 1.00 / 0.888 (-0.12)
Flatline: 1.00 / 0.900 (-0.1)
The only thing actually affected by Low Profile is the Longbow, with a whopping 0.7 second decrease, half a second, something that's actually noticeable. Everything else is bare tenths or even hundredths of a second. It does next to nothing overall. Literally.
Edit: Just in case, the whole point of the math is not to say, "OMG ur bad u play Wraith haha u think LP kills you u garbage haha" but rather:
"Low Profile is a mathematically ineffective "nerf" which does not actually change the overall legend balance. Chalking up that it feels awful to play as or against X character due to Low Profile is not an indication that Low Profile is a working nerf, but rather, an indication that Respawn has not balanced the Legend properly. Calling out Respawn on their crappy balancing (which has been an issue for a while) instead of allowing them to get away with this Low Profile nonsense is more beneficial to the games overall health than sitting back and arguing whether or not LP does something."
@BaldWraithSimpNot from what I saw. The chart I saw had her about 15% smaller than the next, which was a basic tie between blood, lifeline and wattson. Because they increase it 20% she ends up slightly larger than those. Below is the most recent thing I could find in a short search.
@hayhor3rd party measurements done on a 2d image so we can't take it as facts. My information comes straight from the devs.
Also, Mirage, Bloodhound and Bangalore have the same hitbox size. So, the chart is definitely wrong.
@hayhorhttps://twitter.com/pinedsman/status/1275433329571975168?s=20
https://twitter.com/pinedsman/status/1275435610124062721?s=20
I also have a pic of Bloodhound and Bangalore hitbox, but it's in my laptop. I can post it later.
