They have a strange attitude to the fact that paying customers are still trying to draw attention to defects several months after release by pushing threads to the front. The problem in this case is not the customer - the problem is definitely the developers. Whatever is going wrong in your perception? It's already sad enough when developers ignore their own community!
@GER-oldsql wrote:They have a strange attitude to the fact that paying customers are still trying to draw attention to defects several months after release by pushing threads to the front. The problem in this case is not the customer - the problem is definitely the developers. Whatever is going wrong in your perception? It's already sad enough when developers ignore their own community!
You're not being ignored. Just because an issue isn't fixed, doesn't mean the developer isn't aware. There is a disconnect between posting issues here and the developer direction.
I don't work for EA or Codemasters. Like you, I'm not privvy to budgets, manpower, priorities, skill sets, etc.
I can only state that the liaisons at EA are doing their best to communicate issues to developers across the range of EA titles.
The more posts here that show the correct sequence to replicate the error and give sufficient detail give the best chance of being fixed. In many cases, these issues fail at the first hurdle (they can't be replicated). Many posts here are just rants and the major effort is to seek clarification.
I spend a lot of my time here (Voluntarily, but willingly) trying to sort the real issues from noise (machine configuration issues). I will take a look at replays but I only have WQ resolution.
Far be it from me to insult anyone. And as a rule, I also have great respect for the work of development teams. However, I can also understand the displeasure of many players. At EA, it has become normal for products to be released completely unfinished.
With the lack of ultrawide support in the replays, we are also talking about things that have always worked perfectly over the years. Fans and customers of F1 2023 can therefore assume that such basics will work in 2023 when the game is released. The crucial point for me is that such problems have still not been resolved several months(!) after release and there is no communication at all. And EA/Codemasters should ask themselves whether this is fair to customers and their own fans!!!
@GER-oldsql wrote:Far be it from me to insult anyone. And as a rule, I also have great respect for the work of development teams. However, I can also understand the displeasure of many players. At EA, it has become normal for products to be released completely unfinished.
With the lack of ultrawide support in the replays, we are also talking about things that have always worked perfectly over the years. Fans and customers of F1 2023 can therefore assume that such basics will work in 2023 when the game is released. The crucial point for me is that such problems have still not been resolved several months(!) after release and there is no communication at all. And EA/Codemasters should ask themselves whether this is fair to customers and their own fans!!!
Sometimes the bug regressions are frustrating. If you have F1 22 installed (or a version where it is working) try looking in your hardware_settings_config.xml to see if there is any difference (delete them before starting the comparison, as it will be freshly 'detected').
Hello. I'm coming back on this topic after a very long time (I think I was the first to reply to the original topic, and I also opened the same topic on my own when I first got the game and observed the issue). I'm attaching here a link to a little video I've captured from the replay of the game. The VERY interesting thing I've just observed is the fact that if you push the "quit replay" button on your wheel, the replay instantly and for an extremely short moment becomes ultrawide, before immediately returning to the replay menu. So I've entered and exited the replay multiple times in my video, just to show you that effect: EXACTLY the moment you push the "exit replay" button, you will instantly see the REPLAY being correctly stretched on the entire triple-screen or ultrawide screen for a very very brief moment (I'm on triple-screen, 5870x1080, bezel corrected). But the thing is: it theoretically WORKS on ultrawide resolutions, it's just a conflict somewhere... Be careful, the video may be stressful for the eyes, the images are switching fast! So... is this a possible hint for the devs or someone who knows how these things are programmed?!
Link to the video (please let me know if it doesn't work!): https://youtu.be/JM7jpedV02U
I don't think anything more will come of it. Codemasters is probably currently busy making makeshift repairs to WRC 2023, the next major construction site that was released completely unfinished. ☹️ As I said, they no longer care about their own community since the EA takeover. ☹️
I also own WRC 2023 and can only partially confirm this. The shader stuttering is still there - Digital Foundry has now confirmed this again and it matches my observations, although the shader pre-compilation has significantly improved the problem. There are also disconnections with steering wheels, and the textures stream ugly, especially in the replays. The photo mode is buggy and does not offer ultrawide support. In WRC 2023, not even the windows or the cars get dirty and look like they've come out of the car wash after a race. Here in Germany, various reputable media have issued a purchase warning for WRC 2023 due to the technical condition. Don't get me wrong, I'm also having fun with WRC 2023, but I wonder why a game has to be released in the beta phase?
And this is in line with almost all of EA's releases in the last two years. Whether it's F1 2023, Star Wars Jedi: Survivor or Battlefield. My personal problem with this is that many of the problems are only ever fixed in a makeshift manner afterward. Take me as an example - I've bought all the F1 games, all the Dirt Rally games and now WRC 2023 again over the past few years. If, months after the release, not even trivial problems with monitor resolutions are solved by the developers and you as a full-price customer/fan don't even get any feedback from the developers, that's just damn sad. I bought F1-2023 at release for a lot of money and only played it for a few hours because the replays are an important factor in this game for me. F1 2023 is also the only racing game I know that doesn't offer ultrawide support in the replays. Even the small development teams manage that, probably because they are much closer to their customers and the community
@GER-oldsqlWhen it comes to graphical glitches it’s not something that bothers. I’m old enough to remember racing games when graphics were a couple of pixels and your imagination. provided the driving game play is decent and stable. After all I play the game to drive crazy fast cars fast and not to look at the scenery.
But like you I have issue with how issuers are addressed. But also with this game series especially I have put 1000 upon 1000 off hours in Over the years. And like you say the makeshift manner that is used or that they just outright disable some game mechanics if it requires something more complex than a makeshift fix. But if that isn’t bad enough a lot of those problems don’t properly addressed for the next game and the badly implemented fix gets carried over.
With F1 games and it’s specific on F1 rather than quantity of content. I struggle to understand why the core modes are in the state they are. Players off F1 games buy it solely for F1. So all they need do is just keep on improving on what came before. Instead of trying to dream up new features no one has ever asked for like F1 world with its looter shooter inspired mechanics.
I hate being this angry at Codemasters. As I’ve always loved their games. But I spent hours upon hours with some issues I found, when they were happening and what was causing them plus workarounds. Every thing I found was passed to them and not a thing has been done and won’t be done
I too have been a fan of the F1 series since the 90s, I collect these games no matter what, since I love so much the real sport. This is incredible stuff for me, as a kid I was dreaming of playing these sims with a proper wheel, on VR or surrounding screens, but I was very very happy controlling those cars with a stupid keyboard (and we were all very good at it, right???!!! 🙂 ). Now I'm living the dream, wheel + triple-screen + enough realism and immersion, I'm happy. I'm not angry with the devs, they do a very good job overall, I understand the problems and pressure to create this kind of game (in time!), also it's a great thing that we don't have gaps in the F1 timeline anymore (that's important!), I hope they keep creating this game no matter what. I'm happy with the graphics for now, but an upgrade would be nice, of course. I only followed this topic and opened one on my own just because this fullHD replay resolution creates a bit of stress for me when I create content on my channel, I have to come up with other solutions to display the replay and match it with the previous F1 versions... it wastes time editing and it doesn't look ok to have differences between games... I use the entire F1 2010-F1 23 collection for different "stories" on my channel. And I think it's not such a difficult thing to correct a resolution for a game, it feels more like a basic programming thing, a bug/conflict/codec error somewhere... or am I wrong? Something that may be included in their "fixed other minor issues" category, you know?... But, hey... if they didn't do it, what can we do... My other burning desires for the future versions: triple-screen support and perspective correction for the cockpit camera (like AC and ACC) - now we have those crazy distorted side mirrors for example; I'm ok with "F1 World" things IF and ONLY IF they don't interfere with the F1 environment; so complete focus on the F1 sport first (up to date rules, car behavior and levels, reasonably quick updates of the tracks and cars once the real sport is updated, immersion (!!!), maybe realistic pitstops like actually driving the car into the pits, not just an arcade minigame to bring the car for tyre change, laser scanned tracks as standard and so on). I understand that there are kids and people in general that are not really into the real F1 and they just use this game as any other random game, but I think it is important that, considering the entire Esports and FIA/F1 support around the series, they need to fulfill the demands of the passionate F1 players first, bring the game to sim level as a priority (it IS the "official" F1 game, right?!), AND include the "arcade" mode for the rest of the world so everybody can enjoy it, at any level. But when people invest in Fanatecs and Mozas and whatever, and super playseats, and create content at a very high level (sort of a free commercial for the devs in the end!)... you need to respect and address that first! A reminder: many AC mods made by random talented people are dramatically better than the F1 series, to be honest! And that's an old platform already! All passion there!!! And these people are not paid at EA/C level!... So, yeah... back on topic, I will surely keep collecting the F1 series, no question about it, I LOVE LOVE LOVE these games, and I'll always be a fan and devoted client, but I wish they correct and implement these principles starting 2024. And of course correct this strange problem we have here, the display resolution... Come on.......... we're talking about a stupid resolution here... so strange......... Not many other games on the planet today have this silly problem. Much older games are displayed correctly on ultrawide and triple-screen!... Yeah... Ok, that's it for me on this topic, it's a bit late now anyway... waiting patiently for the (corrected) F1 24 game (sim!)...
@ScarDuck14 "Elitist"?... come on... "Educated professionals"... again, come on... The entire current politics in F1 is to bring as many people into the sport as possible, quality/education/sportsmanship/original spirit - no longer a problem for them, don't get me started. But, it is what it is, I understand it's not an easy thing to manage this sport.
A sim-level rig is a bit like this: a decent laptop/console, of course; plus an old fullHD monitor/TV, a Next Level F-GT seat for example (cheap metal frame + textile rag), and a G29 = all this for less than 1000e NEW (there's always ebay or something)... and you can use this in any racing/driving game and any platform for YEARS and YEARS. So, let's NOT confuse elitism with a little bit of PASSION for the genre, for the sport, for the virtual adventure (I'll never touch a real F1 car, but I LOVE those things - F1 is about cars and engineering, not about some kids coming and going, bullying each other)! But "immersion", let's not confuse things! The immersion has nothing to do with controllers or the current visual limits! They're VERY close though, and that's what we're talking about here! VERY VERY close to developing a cool thing, just one more step!
And then we start talking about FFB which is far from good or reliable! 70-90euros! Meanwhile, there are waiting lists for Fanatecs, months of waiting, so... maybe the world is "wealthier" and open to entertainment than we think, fortunately! It's an entire universe around these games and let's not forget the F1 world is a little bit special.
So... many factors to consider. And yet, we're in the situation of crying over a freaking resolution error, you know?... And visual problems... And gear compatibility... Resembles the "manhole cover in the mighty Las Vegas" paradox, right? Come on... And we're talking history here, the F1 game comes from the beginning of time, so we can expect some quality at a basic level already.
That "priority" I was talking about actually means only this: correct camera settings, no more random "ice skating" on the track and overall car consistency (you don't get this issue in AC, not even with the mods, where you really feel the "heaviness" and the grip of the car) which helps a lot including and especially the controller players!; I insist a bit on the laser-scanned tracks (I CAN live without it IF the FFB is ok - it's not); and a bit more AI intelligence (not too much really). And that's about it, just to match the other (older!!!) games/sims. Ok? We're talking 70-90euros! AC is 20-40 euros and STILL on the market + some DLCs. You can have the entire 1950-2023 F1 history in there - it's a real threat to the F1 series to be honest!... There's still demand for the F1 2010 - F1 2021 - they've canceled the entire thing... Luckily I got everything in time.
But.. the sad thing... you (and others in other situations) ignore 90% of the positive stuff I've mentioned (including my loyalty towards the devs and series since I found out there's an F1 game on a thing called PC; and including the clear mention of me noting that EVERYBODY MUST be able to enjoy the F1 games at ALL levels - it IS possible!), but you prefer to define "attitudes", to attack and tag people for details that are not that easy to control in a simple conversation (numbers, statistics!)... So yeah... let's do that, let's forget about improving a product and correct 90s-style errors (again - I've preordered 90e games since forever!) and just talk nonsense. THIS is the F1 environment "attitude" that dominates today, at least online - a disaster! Actually, I really think the sport is going down slowly but surely in this rhythm, but this is not what we're here for... Again, I have the money ready for F1 24 preorder, no matter what, a clear sign that I appreciate the devs and the series overall! Otherwise, I wouldn't have been active and passionate and I wouldn't defend the game so much on the store forums from all sorts of "angry" customers that don't know how to turn on a PC... I'm done here, it's too late already for the F1 23 version. Excited and optimistic for the next season though! I'll continue to offer my feedback.
I agree with you to some degree.
BUT you ARE talking elitism. You're a bit annoyed that the WS replay doesn't work, you mentioned content creation - first world problems. It's not game-breaking nor does it affect all but a small subset of players. Shouldn't be broken, I wish I could tell you why it is.
Most play single screen (on a TV, because they have a console). There's plenty of people wanting a wheel, but they don't have much more disposable income than the cost of the game and the cost of the sub to play (XBL/PSN/GamePass, whatever.) Plenty also play on relatively modest PCs and don't have the extra for upgrades or they may have been bought them.
It's interesting, but yeah PC is not cheap, the kit that I have has evolved. I have a Quest 2 I bought solely to try this game, it's my sum total of VR involvement (last game). I found it a bit lacking TBH, but then other gameplay is lacking also. I spent a relatively modest £600 on a capable GPU (more than a console), but I don't feel entitled, perhaps just a bit foolish in retrospect. Haven't even connected it to this build for this game.
Anyway, hopefully it should be a relatively simple fix but it might get picked up for the next game along with a whole host of other things that really shouldn't have got in there. But, having owned the entire franchise I don't hold out hope that it will. We are already fixing things that have broken before (and seeing them regress time and time again).
I just try to cut noise. Plenty of people have got PCs and don't appreciate what they have or that it takes time and knowledge to gain the understanding to configure it to the best result. I can make the game work without it crashing my PC, but the gameplay is so terrible. Crossplay has been a disaster in implementation for various reasons and I don't think versioning is very robust, leading to the lobby splits and results messing up.
Graphically there are lots of bugs, probably as a result of trying to implement HDR/DLSS/FSR 2, etc. but even on systems that don't support or don't have the tech.
Many, many more game-breakers before this unfortunately.
Please... for the last time, you guys are playing with heavy words. Like you said, it's a GAME environment, right?... (I didn't know that it was so easy to access the "elite" level of the society :D wheel+seat versus controller, and you're there! :D ). Quit it, it means nothing. And you're assuming (I'm a total stranger to you) that these are my/our main problems in life: a bug in a game, content creation... no! I make ZERO money out of it, so the "first-world problems" claim doesn't apply either. But my videos (not the best out there to be honest, still, I love sharing experiences with other players, it's fun) still help make the game visible and have some kind of little traction. But that's just secondary to me, although it makes sense to me to promote a product that I like! These are just nice hobbies for the vast majority, a good escape from the harsh reality, a passion for the sport, and so on. Easy stuff. All these are part of the experience. But you guys are ready to draw attention from the main problem and start conflicts instead, using uncontrollable words. Other people, much clever than me, are climbing mountains, see the world, have a beer with friends, and stuff. I like the virtual world, I like the 3D creation and I like creating tracks and cars for AC for example. But it's not my entire life, actually, I just have 3-4 games that I like and always follow and play: F1/AC(mainly F1 here too) and GTA/Mafia/RDR... there are kids 1/10th of my age with hundreds of games in their list... if I'm elitist, what are they? if you buy a console, you're a VERY lucky human being on this planet already... my having PLUS a medium wheel and seat, doesn't really make a wealthy filthy nasty human being, desirving to be called names on a statistically dirt-poor planet!!! On the other hand, I did pay money for these products, and I have a bit of a right to express myself, especially when there are problems. Like you said, there are heavier problems in this game, the resolution stupid thingy is just the cherry on the cake! Still, my comments are mainly about positive and constructive things, I'm not criticizing just to hear myself talking! If the devs benefit or are interested in people's opinions, not just their money, it's out of my control, but it would be nice... Because, reminder: F1 Challenge is STILL out there and receives new updates from modders, did you know that?! Did you know it is still playable AND has FFB and stuff?! AC will STILL be there for years and years, and maybe it will even work in parallel with the new AC2, depending on their offer!!! So... F1 series... I don't know, but... it might be on the wrong path already! Oh, and I have only a maximum of 200 hours for each F1 version, the entire year, PRECISELY because I have more important things to do in life, BUT when I do play it, F it, I need to immerse myself in the F1 space, the official game, like they claim! I play it with passion, I imagine myself on the track, it's a Fing modern Jules Verne!!! So, dear devs, give me the Fing official F1!!! Not F1 World crap, but THE F1!!! You know?!......... (no, look, I'm just making a point - keep the F1 World if people like it, just make the base game at the right level!). Anyway, more important and frightening: I'm talking about a game/product we're obviously all interested in around here, but the Internet reacts to ME, although it's clear that it's a common problem we should work together to solve!... Many people online are victims of this! This happens a lot, no responsibility or consequences, scary place! People don't know how to talk about principles or neutral themes anymore, but people somehow learned to instantly and blindly attack and mock and spread calumnies and hate, although it's clearly not in their best interest, and while the big companies take our money! THIS, again, it's the main disease today! Let's sleep on it! Let's not burden this topic with this nonsense anymore... otherwise, we risk losing our credibility around here, this is not helpful at all, and we all lose... Have fun, see you in F1 24!
@AndreiStamaYou posted….. . I understand that there are kids and people in general that are not really into the real F1 and they just use this game as any other random game, but I think it is important that, considering the entire Esports and FIA/F1 support around the series, they need to fulfill the demands of the passionate F1 players first, bring the game to sim level as a priority (it IS the "official" F1 game, right?!), AND include the "arcade" mode for the rest of the world so everybody can enjoy it, at any level. But when people invest in Fanatecs and Mozas and whatever, and super playseats, and create content at a very high level (sort of a free commercial for the devs in the end!)... you need to respect and address that first
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Firstly you’ll find only people who like real F1 play this game. As it’s pretty much series specific. People who dont follow real F1 but play racing games… Play GT7, Forza; NFS etc etc:
The majority of people who play F1 games. Are Real F1 fans but casual gamers. So will play on console on the sofa infront of a Tv. That is where the majority of sales is. But you said those who have invested in. Wheels and play seats and triple screens should have their needs met first. “Elitist statement”
Ideally everyone needs should be met all at once. But that won’t happen. So the game is developed to be a SimCade with easy accessibility so even 5 year olds can pick up and play. Real F1 is just as much as a commercial enterprise as it is the pinnacle of motorsport. But in F1 Money is king. Just need to look at Vegas this year. Plus all recent races that have been added is because that’s where the money is and not whether the race venue is good with a local fanbase.
You said that the game should be made a sim as a priority. So that would mean the minority sim sweats needs must be met. Another elitist statement.
The game will never be made to be a full on sim. Because majority of players as I’ve said before are casual gamers. If the game is made into a hardcore sim it will push casual gamers away. I know many people who have bought ACC but have hardly played it because the learning curve on controller is so high. If the same happened to the F1 game. Only the minority hardcore fans would be playing… It won’t sell enough copies to be financially viable.
FOM and Codemasters vision and direction for this game has only ever been for it to be a SimCade, And in recent years it’s moving more arcade. As it will appeal to more players who can feel like a F1 racer without to much effort. But you only care about sim racers getting a proper sim. And longs the sim sweats are happy. Who cares about casual gamers and young F1 fans. I mean all they do is provide majority off sales - profit- future development budget:
Yes Fanetec can’t make wheels fast enough but it’s not those who are playing F1 games who are buying the majority. It’s sim racers who race on hardcore sims. ACC and Iracing etc. The domain of the actual Elites. Where majority off F1 SimCade players avoid
Having slept on it I feel exactly the same as I did yesterday,
This is not a particularly important or priority bug. If the replay feature isn’t working, it needs fixing or removing.
Something that I think players would appreciate are less non-functional features.
AC is playable with a (decent) controller, F1 IS indeed simcade right now, it's fine, but we're talking about improving (and the replay thing here is the most insignificant theme!). "Hardcore" (sim) means nothing, another forced term. The correct practical updates we want are doable at this price. ACC is half-price (not that old). We know the problem, yes, but it can be solved from what I hear and see... the world is full of IT and design guys, but this is only about profit. So. Ok, cool. If quality and options = "elitism", ok, I'm "elite" if you say so, fine. The term doesn't do anything to me, nothing to gain or lose and I'm not embarrassed or honored by it, zero. Words. I'm a nobody, trust me, let's move on!
To the point: the game still has problems at the arcade level, 2023 "era", at least by comparison: multiplayer, graphics, modes, optimization, compatibility, concept, drivers, and so on... NOT TO MENTION I paid full price for F1 23 CE, instead of the "loyalty price" they proudly offered for customers that already had the previous F1 versions (I have all of them, full prices, full packages) - not even that, it didn't work for me and many LOYAL players, because of their sub-standard platform, programming, logistics, communication with their partners (EA/Steam...), and ultimately lack of respect! Full price, I'm fine with it either way, this is not a serious life investment, it's "just" passion and fun (the elite affords things like this), I accepted that glitch too!... I'm trying hard to be an ~optimistic guy even though I have NO reason and real resources for it, I try to find interesting things adn quality in everything, especially when it involves my passions, but we're not working toward a better solution here.
Thank you for defining my life, that's what I'm taking from here, I know who I am now 🙂 But that means we're all wasting money and time here, this page is ~useless. Maybe some people learn here how to navigate the F1 game menus or something... LOTS of crying and mindless bad reviews at this level if you browse the forums (and I'm so frustrated by it, YES there are problems, but not THOSE problems! I defend the series paying with my nerves and time, instead of just playing my game and not giving a F about the entire world around me! stupid "elitist" me!). They can't find or have the patience to discover the PLAY button FFS, this is the real level we're dealing with, so we can easily understand the company's tactics and attitude. My elitist brain is disgusted by it, I confess... I remember a time when we were controlling these things with a bulky unresponsive keyboard and a mouse full of dirt, almost zero Internet, and we were stellar, after DAYS of configuring those potato PCs (deep settings: sound, controller, graphics, EVERYTHING just to LOAD the games - that was a game in itself!). Now you say that this generation can't play AC with a controller today, when everybody's born with a computer in their diapers... what does this say, the big picture?.... oh man!..... And I'm an "elitist" nasty F!
So, we'll either quit it or we'll make the best of it. Careful, this entire "elitist first-world" thing of ours might be over right quick, considering the world right now. Bottom line, try and have a bit of fun, that's the main goal! Be well! (for real this time, I'm gone, please stop tagging me, even if you talk about me or my "elitist attitude" case, it's fine; thank you!)
Is there anyway to see if the Devs can check or fix this issue for 24 while the game is still in Beta? This issue and being able to select wet weather in time trial are the two things I’m keeping my eye on for this years title. Fingers crossed it gets sorted out.
@Noksolis4 wrote:Is there anyway to see if the Devs can check or fix this issue for 24 while the game is still in Beta? This issue and being able to select wet weather in time trial are the two things I’m keeping my eye on for this years title. Fingers crossed it gets sorted out.
Wet weather missing isn't a bug. It's a design choice.
I'm wondering if this wasn't a "metrics" decision.
You might argue the same for ultrawide replays.
F1 24 available in 2 days. They really do not care about their product.
