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Re: Cultural Reference Bias..Why does Rampart have to be a half british-half indian?

@INVINCIBLE_1F You do realize that a lot of people can move to a different country and have babies right? Just because she sounds British doesn't mean she is half British. If she was born in (or moved at a young age to) America she would sound a little American. The only reason she sounds British is the lingo, people can use whatever lingo they want.

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  • People say that she is "BRITISH INDIAN" officially. I have no problems with people who migrated, but if you google it, With the deep wounds faced by India during the British Colonization, This character background only serves to break rather than unite.

    And Yes Its just a Video Game!

    Peace Out!

  • You do realize that the British were brutal in their colonization of India, don't you? 

    I think her accent is excruciating to listen to. 


  • @INVINCIBLE_1F wrote:

    People say that she is "BRITISH INDIAN" officially. I have no problems with people who migrated, but if you google it, With the deep wounds faced by India during the British Colonization, This character background only serves to break rather than unite.

    And Yes Its just a Video Game!

    Peace Out!


    You really do believe that Respawn actually intended Rampart to somehow break apart India and undermine their interests by being mixed race? Thats just right wing conspiracy nut talk, indian edition.

  • INVINCIBLE_1F's avatar
    INVINCIBLE_1F
    5 years ago

    @BigBlackCausticNa Man! I am not accusing Respawn of such "undermining". I feel that they lack a bit of in depth research regarding the real cultural scenarios. I can challenge, do same in China with a character half-japanese, half-chinese, Chinese Government itself will ban the game before even people will quit. Why? Because Japan attacked China and brutalized it.in WWII So, if you can cut out voice lines, just because of it being "sensitive", You can be sensitive enough to do in depth research culturally before introducing a character.

  • @INVINCIBLE_1FI think it has to do with chinese government and parts of its culture being actually racist rather than the history of these countries. Take a look at how they discriminate and treat cultures and ethnic minorities that are native to China for centuries atleast for reference. Not to mention China is pretty much looking for things to censor to demonstrate their micro-penises authority. 

    If you ask me mixed race characters demonstrate that we can get along if we wanted to especially if we look at an individual level rather than historical/cultural, and i believe your mindset doesn't help in any regards. Maybe im biased as a mixed race myself though. If you wanna leave because they had the audacity to include mixed race characters then leave. You have no right to tell anyone what to do.

  • INVINCIBLE_1F's avatar
    INVINCIBLE_1F
    5 years ago

    I have no issues with any of mixed Race characters, but just contrast it with everyone else. It really is unacceptable, any case if it helped you to atleast realize the part of issue, I am thankful.

  • Skenderaxe's avatar
    Skenderaxe
    5 years ago

    @BigBlackCausticI agree with your second paragraph a lot, although I don't personally identify as a racial matter (even though it is quite certainly a secondary factor). I'm a third-culture-kid who has grown up in countries that aren't where my family are technically from. I love the bi-cultural inclusion here because you also have to consider that this is in some futururistic alter-reality and that in the end there's going to be little 'pure'. Even Crypto's cultural style is sourced and not entirely relatable to him in the present. There is this understanding that colonialism is part of both of Rampart's histories, and being upset that there is this acknowledgement doesn't really make sense. It's almost like censorship if you're asking for it to be pulled down, and just because there isn't enough detail at the moment doesn't mean there's not going to be any later.... Love the use of the words unacceptable and 'The Community', really speaks like the 'silent majority' vibe.

    I get the issue with it being shocking but in reality you ignore that it's likely going to be the case in the UK where it happens, nothing wrong with picking from the demographic. this is also to the guy who started the thread ofc

  • @SkenderaxeWell I wonder as a mixed race person, i assume you are one, you will eat the chewing gum stuck on your shoe?, Make spray paints on walls(i love them personally, so that is a plus) . There are so much more details, But i will be criticized again as racist ;/

  • Skenderaxe's avatar
    Skenderaxe
    5 years ago

    Lmao I don't know why you're associating her choice of gum storage to her race. It's part of her character development and cancelling her isn't going to distinguish the idea that she's just a bit of a modder who scraps metal. Sure she's half indian half British but if you're implying that you can associate her lack of hygiene to her race then you have a bit of stereotyping going on. I think you're just overthinking it a little much. It like getting annoyed at the big bulky guy for being gay, or the little white girl for being depressed and mistrusting. They're part of their character and they're all a little difficult to stereotype unless you're the cause to this thinking

  • Fact is what you say, is actually a real bias here. India unfortunately has the biggest garbage collection, dumping and disposal industry. So when you say she is just a bit of modder who scraps metal, just proves me further right. And no bro, Being big bulky guy as gay or little white girl being depressed is not a notion which i have. I am not stereotyping here, but with this thread continuing, i can further see how and where the references point

  • Yeah, it is simply how the world worked back then. X invading Y was at the order of the day. It was wrong btw.

    But this looks like an unnecessary complaint to me. And coming off from people that were colonized by the Ottoman Empire, I absolutely won’t mind if they add a charachter which has turkish origins. Or if he/she is half turkish half that. I am here to play the game and just wanna to chill out.

  • BBY_YOD4's avatar
    BBY_YOD4
    New Veteran
    5 years ago
    @INVINCIBLE_1F First your saying that you want rampart you be one race, now your saying it’s good for her to be 2 races. Stop trying to make other people look bad.
  • I never said I want rampart to be one race.. But, about how this experiment of A British-Indian mix was not that perfect as they deemed it to be, due to the history between the two societies. I wanted to know the take of community as well as make people realize how important cultural research aspect of characterisation is.. whether of game, story or novel. Any medium.

  • @BBY_YOD4Bro, not making you look in bad light. When you said she is "just" a modder, you actually thought through the lens by which the character is represented, and it is not your fault..This is how she is represented. She could have been an engineer too like Wattson, but guess that slot was full lol.. There is something called ordinance engineer in armed forces. Do check!

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