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Ironflower196
5 years ago

Re: Season 8 Wraith Nerf

@E9ine_AC I didn't really want to compare i was just trying to let you know if wraith does get nerfed it will be fine. I can see how the constant changes to her is frustrating, that is why I used to say nerf her like they did pathfinder. You may have forgotten, but when he got his nerf his pickrate got cut in half and even tho wraith got another nerf her pick rate went up by what pathfinder lost all the way up to she was getting picked a 3rd of the time. Idk if it is still so high but I know she is still at the top.

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  • MoNosDirtyGamin's avatar
    MoNosDirtyGamin
    5 years ago
    @Ironflower196 Because its abysmal to try and compare pathfinders nerfs to wraith lol. Pathfinders also not one of the top 5 picked anymore btw, looks like all the pathy players have ran off to use horizon, because of her completely silent footsteps and 12s tactical, this is also the exact same issue pathfinder had and why he had a high pickrate.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago

    @Ironflower196All i want is the nerfs to stop. They should get it right the first 25ish times. People always saying ohh nerfs are not bad they are needed. What some fail to understand.. Everytime a big nerf is done over 20 times now we change to adapt sometimes change play style sometimes learn new tricks to counter the nerf. We keep having relearn a legend we play every day all day. 

  • Talmaduvi's avatar
    Talmaduvi
    5 years ago

    So you are saying that wraith hitbox is not issue because you can kill other wraith without issues ?

    If that's  the case you should be happy, the nerf will not impact you ( since in your opinion is not important as you can just aim better and hit anyway ) and  they might buff the abilities instead.

    You cant both say that its unfair to nerf the hitbox and that the enemies can just " aim better" and hit you anyway so its fine to have a small hitbox.

    either its matter or it doesn't and givent the win rate  & playrate of warith lets not hide from the truth.... it matters

  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @Talmaduvi Because all of us who play her find her to be best legend and most fun for us. We are sick of nerfs nerf it correctly the once you would see no complaints. Instead we see nerf after nerf after nerf. All I ask is get it right first 20 times.
  • Talmaduvi's avatar
    Talmaduvi
    5 years ago

    I get it, its not great to open the patch note and see your main nerfed again again and again. unfortunately the alternative is they might overdo it and make her trash tie winch would be bad as well (PF for instance was nerfed hard. not trash tier by any means but the fun factor was greatly decreased )

    hopefully the "balancing" of wraith is almost over and at least this time the abilities are unchanged so it does not require to re-learn" anything 🙂

  • MoNosDirtyGamin's avatar
    MoNosDirtyGamin
    5 years ago
    @Talmaduvi Here's the truth, her win rate wont change. These stupid, pointless changes just break a character, she's had an awful transition between seasons since her release. Wraith's just going to continue to be nerfed every single season, she will still be one of the top 5 unless they rework her, because players like her abilities and how she is currently. Also, to add to the flame, yes a lot of players on apex are bad at aiming, that's why they constantly cry for a nerf, wraiths been nerfed enough and they wont stop nerfing her until she's completely useless.

    I know for a fact next season the bug where you activate your tactical next to a wall and it cancels your tactical will come back, along with her portal bug, because they keep catering to noobs.

    I also use wraith, and not to sound bigheaded but I have a higher IQ when playing compared to the average player, so i'll make better judgements in fights and elevated pushes etc. If wraith becomes useless then the game will just be infested with gibby/caustic as most pros will just use them two.

    As a player I shouldn't be forced to play a specific character because the one I use has been nerfed over and over, they have no idea why wraith is so popular, so these nerfs are unwarranted and pointless.
  • TCG_Maximus's avatar
    TCG_Maximus
    5 years ago

    Dude, wraith has NEVER been bad regardless of how many nerfs they gave her. On top of that, the devs already said they would look into boosting her abilities to possibly counteract the hitbox nerf. 
    This is the best nerf they could do to wraith as far as balancing goes as, abilities aside, she has a tremendous advantage over most other legends in the hitbox department. You can’t just say people need to hit their shots as if only noobs take issue with her hitbox. Most good players that aren’t biased can tell when they barely missed a couple shots that would have decided the gunfight (I.e. you have 10hp left) and when your hitbox is 80% smaller, you are just lying to yourself if you think you just outskilled them in those scenarios.

    Her individual gunfight win ratio WILL change after this, even if it’s slightly and it’s definitely for the better.

    Personally, I have tested this in 1v1’s and me and my friends don’t allow wraith (or Gibby) in them anymore because we noticed a big change in wins when the opponent wasn’t playing those two.

    If the analytics team can see that on average individuals have better stats when they play wraith, wether they are new, good or pro, then that is a clear indication that wraith as a character has a better advantage over other legends and not the individual playing her per say.

  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @TCG_Maximus Again not sure how many times it has to be said.

    I do not mind nerfing her hitbox. We are sick of taking hits every single season. We would like to go one season without change and have relearn a legend with her at times massive changes. This is not about being upset about the hitbox increase. This is being upset because we want them to get it right and stop doing it every season.
  • TCG_Maximus's avatar
    TCG_Maximus
    5 years ago

    I don’t think any game has gotten balancing right to be honest but you can’t really fault them for trying especially when they haven’t really done anything yet to completely break wraith.

  • MoNosDirtyGamin's avatar
    MoNosDirtyGamin
    5 years ago
    @TCG_Maximus You don't use wraith in your 1v1's? lool, clearly don't take into account that shooting any part of her body also also counts as a body shot.

    You'd call it an "advantage" but I'd call it having to use your brain.
    You aren't taking into account that wraith has been a day 1 legend, this has dramatically boosted her legend capabilities. Pathfinder has fallen off this season because everyone who used to exploit with him has now moved onto horizon, exploiting the exact same BS with the 12s cooldown along with the silent footsteps. Wraith doesn't need a nerf, people need to stop crying like little girls and getting upset because they can't think for two seconds that if they can't hit their shots then arm/leg shots work just as well. Most players don't even try to aim for headshots they just pray and spray and then cry about it on the forums that the legend is OP. Only a professional player who understands every single legends pro's and * can REALLY discuss if a legend needs a nerf. The only way people will stop using wraith is if she gets a rework, so clearly Respawn should stop trying to change wraith being used as one of the top 5. I can 100% guarantee that pro players are now using legends either based on having a high stat count, either it's exploitable (like horizon) or they just like the abilities.

    They did almost break wraith in season 5 when you was getting shot through portals, that was down to Respawn trying to allow players with garbage internet to hit wraith players just because they have a faster internet. Wasn't necessary and lower ping players shouldn't be punished like that.

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