Re: Question About Smurphing

@E9ine_AC 

Hrmm oki. So that Respawn dev indirectly confirmed that there are low-end lobbies based on recent games KD or something like that? Or did he actually suggest that some players actually lose ranked several matches in a row to stay in low rank lobbies? Seems so much work. You would literally have to lose 20 silver matches in a row to make up for one win 

@E9ine_AC 

Seems like the new ranked system put all new players in one big lobby anyways, or rather two possible lobbies: Rookie to Silver1 and Bronze4 to Gold1. So basically; Rookies never play with golds but other than that, its everyone together. So smurfing in low lobbies is almost meaningless now. I think the average skill level of those lobbies rather is connected to WHEN during the split you play. When all hardstucks Plats and hardstuck Diamonds are tired of getting smashed in Pred lobbies, they start to smurf and the average skill level of those lobbies increases significantly. 

This assumes that there are not two types of the same rank lobby, like two types of silver lobbies etc etc.  Doublelift (ex-pro and now LoL streamer) confirmed that LoL uses three types of ranked queues:

 Normal ranked queues, which prioritize players wh doesnt have any weird MMR vs rank deviations.

Smurf ranked queues, which have way to high MMR for their current rank, i.e clearly smurfs.

And lastly what he called "recovery ranked queues" which is for accounts who once had a much higher MMR than his current rank reflects but how signs that he has gotten worse, like old players coming back to the game.  So if a LoL Challenger from S4 and quit playing the game and then come back now and your account has been reset to Silver, he would probably not play that many games with "true" silver players, but rather in silver recovery queue.

So perhaps there are something like that with Apex too.

@Balladalidila from the horses mouth so to speak 😃

So hideouts is very specific about continuous new account smurfing,  who farm low level lobbies, getting banned. 

And as @E9ine_AC mentioned, hideouts second comment leaves the door firmly open for tanking smurfs, who farm low level lobbies, getting banned too.

Why the report function for smurfing is there, I don't know,  as there's no way for a player to discern if a Smurf is just passing through or not.

The official smurfing in ranked is farcical. That was proven conclusively last season. I don't think a 6 tier demotion each split is the answer. Fortnite's answer is to put everyone back to square one in their ranked,  I'm not a fan of that either.

I think is apex's case a demotion to any achieved level IV is appropriate each split,  with the caveat the you have to improve by at least 2 tiers to get the next split rewards. This would keep everyone roughly where they should be. 

So, "farming lower lobbies is bannable", yet makes it possible for diamonds and up players to derank down past plat. I had ran into at least 3 players yesterday, who had all 3 badge slots be a master's badge, and their rank was Rookie IV. With a bunch of other players being previous diamonds, masters, and pred players, but their curent ranks are all Rookie to Bronze.

This sounds like another way of saying "we put in a report option, so you can feel like we're doing something about it." I'm not saying deranking is bad, but diamonds and up players should be locked at being unable to drop below at least plat. While these low level accounts should just be put into their own lobbies, since there's way too many of them. The issue I'm having is that this isn't "skill base matchmaking".

There's no "skill" involved in the matchmaking's calculations when your teammates are fresh off the tutorial (gameplay wise), and the enemy teams are just levels 10-30's mowing through everyone.

I haven't mentioned this before,  here we go again - picture the poor guys that are the fodder for these guys while doing the grind. Explaining Conner's words to them will not make the obliteration feel any less impactful. How is getting farmed ok in any aspect whether its just passing by on the grind or to farm repeatedly? Then add a report button for smurfing....why? 

Why have it there then say, oh we watched it and we feel this time is ok to be stomped cause hes solo'ing a grind so...sorry? 

@NickBeam27 what needs to happen is once you get to "say"  diamond,  you stay there! End of all the problems right there 😃🥳

@NickBeam27 

You are gold going into season A. 

you get to diamond II from gold at the end of split 1

then reset to diamond IV for split 2

you are get to diamond III again at the end of split 2

then reset to diamond IV for the season B. 

You get your diamond reward for season A. 

But the caveat being that you don't get the diamond rewards for season B unless you move up a tier or 2 within diamond either split. 

Should to keep it competitive and interesting and you are playing your peers 😃

@E9ine_AC
How you wanna proof its meant to farm lower rank lobbies ? I mean you dont have to proof anything, but in that Twitter statement this was pretty clear to me, you can do Ranked smurf challenges with every hero... This is clearly allowing smurfs to smurf. :D There is also no problem to stream that as challenge on Twitch or is it ? I mean just to be sure to not get banned...

There should be clear NO or clear YES to smurfing, this is seems more like a YES but please dont abuse it too much.

@Awhoo_Thunder the proof is in the farming. 😃

@StelioRokos clearly farming is a more serious problem to be dealt with, that probably why hideouts mentioned it.

Just having the same account on different platforms creates a Smurf situation.

Ranked demotion creates a Smurf situation. 

Changing platforms creates a Smurf situation. 

But sbmm will put you into higher lobbies very quickly,  from what I've been told here on the forum, if you come top 5 in a few matches. 

What you can do within the rules, and what you choose to do within the rules, is up to you. I choose to play one account only.