I have been playing since the release of the game, I haven't missed a single season and I overall enjoied playing the game but season after season the game became unbalanced and there is no fun to play with m&k anymore.I consider myself slightly better than average as few seasons ago, without a team I managed to hit master couple of time but now I realize that there is no space for me anymore.Season after season movement has been limited, m&k players have no better movement anymore (which is fair) but they have no chance to compete in close range.No matter the game sense, no matter the skill, no matter the strategy I choose during the game, I end up loosing majority of the fight just because I can not compete with roller players in close range. There is no way, they just hit more.I mean guys....open twitch. Who plays m&k anymore? Everyone switched to roller, the one who didn't stopped playing.Everytime I open the gamem, which is less and less, I am asking to myself: Why am I playing? There is no fun anymore, I can not compete with people like me anymore.What is the point of playing if the game is not equal and it is clearly giving a strong advantage to a specific hardware?Feels bad...feels more frustrating than season 5 where half of the people were cheating.

@PapacastoroTrying not be be biased here..but as a console player having AA really hasn't made the apex gaming experience any better.Still getting two shot by people I dump entire mags into.Imo the unenjoyablity of the game has to do with apex's other prevalent issues such as its horrible match making, it's smurfs, and rampant cheating.

@XxColdFangxX"as a console player having AA really hasn't made the apex gaming experience any better."Thank you. AA might make an Apex god even more godly, but an average schlub stays an average schlub with anything less than an aimbot. Which aa most certainly is not.

Are you guys serious? This is not even a discussion to have.In apex, the amount of time it takes to get good on controller is 180 hours of gameplay. That is what is agreed upon from decent players that switched to controller.In a game, where aim is supposed to matter, the best players in the world, and some of the best aimers in the world can actually switch to a different mode of playing (a different skill - controller) and then do equally well or better as they do with mouse and key after 180 hours of practice, when they practiced aim with mouse and key maybe 100 000 hours. So pro players switching from mouse and key to controller? that is ridiculous for a game to keep something that makes that happen in the competitive scene. What a joke!The aim assist on console is 0.6, fine, keep it like that, console is mostly for casual anyways. If they want to be hardcore they can come to PCThe aim assist on PC for controller is 0.4, which is still way too much. That is half an aimbot almost, aimbot kinda gives players an advantage in shooting games.Adjust it to 0.2, even then people will start to notice its a bit off, but its not a gamechanger. It really should be 0.0 for PC lobbies, so that the recoil that is past human reaction time to control on PC is also that on console so there is no gap in DPS/time that its possible to do.

Can you site where you get your information from?The aim assistance issues are;Equal time invested to each input do not give the same results in the form of accuracy with weapons, placements of matches, kill to death ratios- you know the break down of every aspect that makes a game competitive- aka- the results, like science are backed by large datasets and are not opinions- controller aim assist superior to mouse and keyboard in, categorically speaking, every category. in- it’s not even close Initially time investments are not even close to balanced either, aim assistance is a baseline of several thousand hours of mouse trackingAim assist is software and will always be superior to human input;- aim assistance has no reaction time meaning the game perfectly predicts which way enemies will evasively move to mitigate damage from shots fired at them- aim assistance has no fatigue meaning that moving a mouse is more taxing on players both mentally (predicting strafe is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT) and physically mouse is using much more muscle to accurately move and shoot in game. meaning the game gets more difficult the longer you play the gameaim assistance is not effected by visual and audio clutter meaning the accuracy of shots by the player with aim assistance into effected during combatBe honest with yourself, do you even know what muzzle flash is. Being in a dark tunnel, shooting through Bangalore smokes, with an L-star, with grenades exploding next to you. The mouse and keyboard player has to deal with lighting issues, in game ability issues, predict enemy strafe patterns, while dealing with muzzle flash, recoil of the gun, and aim punch from taking damage. Aim assist ignores all of those things and gives players consistent god tier aim with perfect 0ms reaction time during the entire in game situation.aim assist is incredibly powerful and then shifts gears and gets stronger the closer enemies are.It turns out, in a game that shrinks over time and forces players closer together, this then gives controller players an additional advantage and win condition by design. And then in those endgames that get chaotic and closer, controller gets stronger and ignores all situational disadvantages that mouse and keyboard has while providing consistent godlike reaction time via aim assistance to the controller player. Side note; you can train your entire life and never come close to aim assist, even at your peak. It’s software and superhuman to say the least.Oh and these results are backed by millions of dollars, global statistics, the literal results of world championships and tournaments which all have player vods, and the professional opinions of the professional players. Professional players in ALGS World Series are playing for millions and the results back that controller is better. Even the best mechanical players in the world are rated lower than the worst of the worst or D tier controller players.If the statistics, opinions, and results don’t matter then you’re obviously a flat earth believer…-aim assistance even goes against what ea devs have said publicly in the past, which is, if players have to switch to controller to stay competitive, WHICH THEY DO AND ARE, then that’s reason enough to nerf itAlso, this isn’t a conversation with devs in any other community. Most developers are active in their respective communities and take advice from the best players in the world. EA is unique because they are completely non communicative with its community and blatantly ignore the community. How they manage to not get boycotted is beyond me. No other competitive fps has aim assist because it’s firmware and diminishes what the professional community as calls “competitive integrity”. Nobody can deny aim assistance. Pc players on mouse and key and even in the competitive community aren’t even saying get rid of aim assistance. Everybody wants aim assistance to be BALANCED to the competing inputs statistically.A lot of the apex community wants apex to be a long lasting game but EA has little to no involvement and communication with the community. This compounds when the company has no response to the lack of competitive integrity that persists for years. Largely apex legends is not even considered a fair competitive to the professional community because it caters to aim assistance which again has no competitive integrity.Fairness is an easy formula and aim assistance doesn’t add up.

@Zamaha400 I’m not over stating the advantages of aim assistance. All of my information comes from professional players and my own experiences when I had a contract for an org and large data sets.1. 4a) Aim assist does not align with competitive integrity, inputs with aim assist do not even need to predict which way enemies strafe2. 4a) Aim assist ignores visual and audio clutter3. Aim assist ignores mental and physical fatigue that inputs without aim assistance are subject too4. Aim assistance is literal software and has perfect tracking and inhuman 0ms reaction time5. 3a) Aim assistance makes professional players feel like they would hate their lives if they had continued to play mouse and key. Controller is so strong because of aim assist that players are forced to swap inputs to stay competitive and keep what’s left of their sanity6. 1a) “D” tier controller players are better than “S” tier mouse and keyboard players because of aim assistance7. 1a) At 58:40 the group talks about how over tuned aim-assist is in Apex Legends8. 2a) At 00:35 the best player in the world and two pros continue the discussion on aim-assist 9. 3a) Best player in the world, describing the current state of Apex Legends and what it’s like to play Apex Legends without aim-assist10. Aim assist gives way to much value and pro leagues are no long scouting mnk players for new roster additions. 1a) https://youtu.be/ZUvDos8fFzU?si=fdVw2V1u_NaKPv5_ 2a) https://youtu.be/_p2O-VLyZFc?si=mtdLTmtbOHHXGaTL 3a) https://youtu.be/4h66ZPuRXF4?si=QRvKLgO3wGimMT9b4a) https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/144vgzm/naughty_is_all_for_an_aim_assist_nerf/?utm

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4847606
3 years ago
@Papacastoro If players are playing on controller while playing with their PC while using steam configs then yeah remove aim assist or make it the same it is on MNK. If they’re playing on true console with a standard controller then stay out of my and other console players lobbies and don’t complain about my lobbies.
GITS-SAC
Seasoned Traveler
3 years ago
Played a few mixtape games, feels like everyone has Aimbot. there's nothing to play when you get deleted in 1 second (you can always blame the lag) What makes the situation worse is that there are many players connecting to servers from the other side of the world +300 ping. It is necessary to set a ping limit to connect..
XxColdFangxX
3 years ago
@Papacastoro
Trying not be be biased here..but as a console player having AA really hasn't made the apex gaming experience any better.
Still getting two shot by people I dump entire mags into.
Imo the unenjoyablity of the game has to do with apex's other prevalent issues such as its horrible match making, it's smurfs, and rampant cheating.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@XxColdFangxX

"as a console player having AA really hasn't made the apex gaming experience any better."

Thank you. AA might make an Apex god even more godly, but an average schlub stays an average schlub with anything less than an aimbot. Which aa most certainly is not.
Zulkiers
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
My console brother may get more kills than I do, but cityfolk still whoop us in close range.
Though lately I've been getting more kills so it throws that off, we're about the same now.
Though all time I still have a ton more than he does because he doesn't play that often.
Does anyone else have Centurylink as their ISP? Anytime it rains around here we lose our connection for several hours to entire days. Dropping during a match is no fun.
Our KDRs: His 0.3, mine 0.24. I've got about twice as many matches as he does. I can't shoot worth beans ok.
As for reasons I'd quit, even though I haven't yet:
Hackers and cheaters
Lousy Connection response from Centurylink - got no other possible ISPs around here so kinda stuck with that
Here's one that got me off of Crypto: Can no longer revive teammates in Drone View
Quitters: They leave when downed, deathboxed, craftable, or respawnable, even though you can respawn them and such
Honestly there should be a penalty for leaving when your team hasn't been fully eliminated yet, unless respawn timed out and not craftable
Like one person said earlier: People who don't speak your language
Now, I might abandon my team sometimes, but that's gotten us farther as they tend to get themselves killed and I craft their banners and respawn them so they can try that again. Until I'm with them and the enemies chase me to the replicator and keep me from getting my allies back.
Yes that's a previous match with an EA/Apex friend and one of his friends.
I'm a Master respawner, decent reviver, decent sniper, and lousy close quarters guy.
I do wish we could Résumé things like that so our allies know what we're good at
I also don't like it when someone has the chance to craft or respawn us and they just ignore it and head for the first firefight they can find.
I also don't like getting put with people who drop early or with several other squads. One squad fine but more than that it suicidal.
And Wraith mains tend to do the above two a lot. I see wraith as jumpmaster I automatically think "this is a wasted match."
I tend to either get wasted because of them or go far far away as support, wait for them to die, and don't get the chance to craft them because they leave when downed.
EVERY TIME!
I've have 3+ matches a day where my team leaves around 15th place and I'm left solo all the way to Top 5, tending to be 2nd and 3rd. At least one of which I'm support. Majority of which we have/had a support in the group.
Thus I main supports to ensure I can craft banners. Lately Lifeline or NewCastle. Sometimes Mirage or Gibraltar. I don't have Loba yet but I think that'll be fun.
And to bullet it with Less detail
quitters
hackers & cheaters
lousy connection from ISP - nothing you can do about that
quitters
quitters
and more quitters
unable to communicate / not my language
etc
I do wish I had a little aim assist, would help a little for CQ. (PC-Steam)
Especially since everyone seems to bullseye me and I can't touch em but with no more than 5 bullets from an automatic in several mags.
And I typed this up thinking I was in another thread... of course...
drevinum9
3 years ago
@Zulkiers Hey dude stop copy paste your old outdated post in several threads....
drevinum9
3 years ago
I honestly played with one player that I became rather good friends with and he was similiar skill to me lets say in Apex legends based on rank. Well he used controller and I didn't know until we played around in fire range and suddenly he said I want to try out MnK real quick and as soon he switched to MnK well you would belive he was bronze-silver and not close to diamond rank. As soon the controller with aim assist came back into picture well I will tell you how vastly different it was playing against that. multiple headshots and managed to match me on every level of the game. For a player that can use a controller efficient and also benefit from this massive aim assist you have in this game is broken when you keep matchmaking PC and Controller lobbies.
drevinum9
3 years ago
@Zulkiers Quitters actually are penalized even with craftable banners, at least in ranked but maybe not so much in original queue. My suggestion start playing ranked but that is not fun at all because of the new system is garbage
Zulkiers
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@drevinum9
A) that's the spot I originally posted it
B) I pasted it into only 1 other thread
C) Wish they'd treat normal BR similar to Ranked in the ways of timeouts for quitting
D) Your friend always uses controller and almost never uses M&K, OF COURSE his playstyle would be vastly different.
If I swap to controller I'll be 3-5 leagues lower skill than remaining on M&K. I actually tried that a couple times.
M&K: Lifeline - 3 kills, 4 revives, 7-9 Lifeline packages deployed, 1.5k damage - average match
Controller: Lifeline: 0 kills, 1 revive, 1-3 Lifeline packages deployed, 300 damage - average match
drevinum9
3 years ago
@Zulkiers Does that not prove the point that if you master one input why give one of the input unfair advantage?

Why do we have aim assist on controller? To be able to compete with MnK? If so how would they ever balance this added benefit to one of the inputs since everyones base skill in the input is not the same but the added benefit for that input is the same and builds ontop of already existing skill?

If it was not for the ability to compete with MnK but to make the game look and feel fun to be played on console then we have a severe issue since then it is not even based on the ability to compete against MnK....

I don't have the answer, I doubt any of the players have the answers and EA/RESPAWN/whatever the organization is called would not tell us. If not telling us the reason then would it be naive to just say it was to make the game feel and look fun for console players so they would keep playing? Since the console players stand for the majority of players and buyers of in game content I would assume whatever they do is to make sure controller players are pleased and feel like they can compete.