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North America Ranked Lobbies at Platinum and above have become 80% controller dominant, this has been an issue for over a year now, and it is getting worse. When we look at ALGS, the kill leaders are using controller, with 8 of the top NA 10 leaders of ALGS as a whole on a single input.
EA has verified data on this, but OverWolf data confirms this as well, that controllers are statistically superior at shooting, in a first person shooter.
This, coupled with visual clutter bushes, trees, and grass which obscures mouse and keyboard users, has created not just an environment where mouse users are at a dramatic disadvantage but is creating an environment where we as players cannot even get squads as controller players actually do not want to play with us on PC as they know it is an inferior input. What is also widely known is that aim assist works directly through caustic gas, and will even operate through Bangalore's smoke if the smoke does not encase either player (documented here: https://twitter.com/JaysLogic_/status/1553005844052189187 and also here https://twitter.com/PVPX_/status/1599620761039536129 ). It is also worth noting that this kill by aim assist directly through caustic gas was in a key moment in an ALGS match https://twitter.com/PVPX_/status/1580817122036355072
Once again, on PC in ranked, the top three leaders are all using a single input. As more console players switch to PC for improved framerates and aim assist which does not pull so aggressively on knocked players (but still enough to 210 someone with a blue R-99) - this imbalance has gotten entirely out of hand and is a primary reason why 16 pro mouse and keyboard players have been terminated from their org, and multiple MNK pro players have switched to controller (including ImperialHal / Frex / Reptar) - while even In Game Leads (IGLS) of LG was fired and replaced with a controller player, of which LG is now entirely composed of controller players, while 100 Thieves was the last remaining MNK team, and was dissolved just last month for poor performance.
I am looking for an honest update from an EA community or staff member as to why they have not yet addressed this issue in any regard when it has been presented to them clearly publicly, and has been a widely known data point internally for over two years now.
There is virtually not a single controller PC professional player who is not openly stating that aim assist is imbalanced and is clearly the superior input, yet EA has taken zero action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSv0_Gp_E7c&t
- 2 years ago
They need to remove the aim assist from controlllers, it's absurd trying to play against good controller players with this advantage.
Talk about an extreme handicap...
- Tom0ve2 years agoLegend
Yeah, it's just unfair!
A controller sweater simply has tons of advantages over an MnK player.
But I also have to say that the Aim Assist is simply a part of the controller, I just tried to play on the controller myself and I just can't handle it, in my case the Aim Assist should be even stronger, so I understand the developers.
Soooo... the only sensible way for the gaming industry would be to completely separate MnK & controller players, at least offer a mode where all assistants & handicap systems are deactivated!
- 2 years ago
EA can easily get global average KD for controller and m&k players. It should be equal. If one of them are much higher then other then something must be done.
BTW, does EA post stats like this?
- 2 years ago
Overwolf has posted stats which state that controller on PC wins more often, has higher KD and higher rank. EA knows this 100%
- Palette24carats2 years agoSeasoned Ace
@SirdodosRidiculous, since ranked is now all about placement!! ahahah what a farce
Aim asisst DIDNT change.
What changed is rank system. So you're telling me fighting less and priorizing placement favors controller? Well that means AA is *.
Pros are little delusional liars, it was proven last year that among Pros at ALGS Mnk was winning over 50% of all fights at all distances, going up to 60% at long range.
- 2 years ago@Palette24carats They changed it to avoid nerfing aim assist while promoting passive rat MNK style of play. Zero fights are "won" at long range, the kill leader boards speak for themselves, with rollers leading decisively.
- DeepBeats2 years agoSeasoned Adventurer
@SirdodosYou have 2 options here, input base matchmaking which would devide PC player base in probly 50/50 or disable AA completely on PC which is the route i would take giving that you also have the option to use MnK. But we know for sure that Respawn/EA wont take any of those options, same as they wont do anything regarding soft cheating since they need as many people in the game as long as they can.
- 2 years ago
by controller you mean rewasd software that lets you emulate a controller while playing on mouse and keyboard, right?
- 2 years ago
Yes AA on PC - though it is clear that console are openly joining PC lobbies in ranked and are doing so specifically because they have an aim assist advantage over 90% of the lobby.
There is no way on earth if I had the choice on MNK would I willingly join a console lobby (nor do I have the option that they do). https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxw-z5IEYgBbo4sjFZZkwzN6aMNawJoDYf
- 2 years ago
I want to update this by noting that no EA staff member has responded to this. Take Dark Zero's shooter or any other pro - you are making a huge mistake. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X_mMr5j-7Uo
- kore0522 years agoSeasoned Newcomer
I think the most important aspect of the Aim Assist is its ability to provide accurate tracking fire even with muzzle flash and poor visibility. The horizontal Aim Assist is especially powerful. I am a MnK player and I can hardly win in close combat against a roller. I don't think that completely eliminating the assist is a good suggestion, so I suggest the following.
Reduce or eliminate horizontal aim assist.---
use deepl.com
- 2 years ago@Sirdodos Such a good post. I’m surprised the forum community didn’t try to bring this to the attention of EA and Respawn.
The Finals is going to be the game that kills Apex Legends. When The Finals comes out with a competitive system pro players are going to jump off of this EA Respawn titanic ship wreck of a game.
The Finals devs came up with an extremely clever way to balance controller and mouse and keyboard input. They removed rotational aim assist so controller players have to react to enemy strafe patterns and movement. We’ve been saved. Finally.- Tom0ve2 years agoLegend
It's just not funny anymore!
Aim Assist himself is annoying... but that's not enough, ppl also use Controller Emulators to play like this, that's pretty sure Mouse Movements!
https://youtu.be/dJ-Ji2doUC4
So, this is what I got killed from daily, IF I even want to start that Game! 🤦♂️
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