Idk what was done to the game this season but I am constantly being shot by an opponent that has no LOS on me. It happened rarely before but now it's almost every game. I know the game has the worst servers ever but it's happening way too often now. I know someone put out that article that the real reason they aren't getting better servers is because it would make the game worse, I also know some people are actually dumb enough to believe that. But come on just get some respectable servers. Saying it will make it worse makes no sense at all, r5 reloaded has better servers and it's just fine. It's time to get some half decent servers, I'm willing to bet that would fix quite a few of the problems this game has

@1unown1 Its not the server per se, its players with high ping. If they see you and can shoot you on their screen, the game accept those bullet as hits even if you were behind cover or just closed the door on your screen. But from a technical standpoint, I understand why they have to do this. Every match is basically 60 different (60 players) "realities" that have to sync up to one reality. Everyone, even low pingers, are slightly de-synced so I think this, i.e client sided hit detection, is the best and fairest way. The other option would be to have a server sided hit detection but that would lead to ALOT of random no-regs and weird stuff. You can look at it this way: client sided hit detection results in attackers advantage. If you have 150 ping and rushes someone and start shooting him, you will actually start be allowed to land bullets before that guy even saw you on his screen. But likewise, if you have 150 ping and get pushed and try to run away, you might be safe on your screen but still be in line of sigh on the enemy's screen where he can land hits on you.

@Midnight9746 I agree that Respawns policy on totally no restrictions on high ping is stupid. They should have a limit of like 80 ms or so to be able to play ranked. But I must criticize your way of just assuming stuff and therefore spreading alot of misinformation. You are just assuming that high ping makes you harder and sometimes even impossible to hit, that high ping makes you teleport around. First of all, how do you even know those players you saw do this had high ping? You just assume this. Do me a favor. Go play on another regions and see if you become invincible only because you have high ping... You wont. You will be able to hit people before they react but you will also be shot alot around corners. But it is quite funny to be able to instabeam someone before you even appear on their screens, which is possible with high ping. Here is a short clip of me playing at an asian server from EU. These poor players didnt even react. But all and all will playing on high ping put you in a disadvantage compared to playing on low ping since looting, pinging and hit markers will be much harder. Just look at the first guy I shoot as he drops down. So many hits in the air that didnt give me a hit marker until much later because of the high ping. If I was on low ping, I would have seen him get knocked mid air and be able to save ammo in the clip or snap to another target. Now I wasted a full clip.PS on another topic; I recently saw a guy saying that Asian servers was full of hackers... Were were all of them when I played there? I played a good 20 matches and pretty much stomped every match. hmmm strange. 😉

It needs to not favor the high ping players and keep players on servers closer to them to better avoid high pings. I'm seeing players being able to teleport around because they're so high ping that its impossible to hit them, even to the point where bullets no reg, especially when the player has less than 25 HP. Everyone thought hitting a Wraith with the small hitbox was hard, try hitting one where every bullet either flies through them or doesn't deal any damage, while you die before their shots are shown to be fired on your side of things. (That's right, I'm getting knocked before I hear the gun shoot or even see the bullet line).Higher ping should mean higher lag. Every other game does this to where you're standing still or moving slower on other player's sides and are highly killable. Yet in Apex, it means you get some sort of god mode, which isn't exactly fair since you can hit players long after they ran behind cover, making to where you can deal high amounts of damage and escape mostly unscathed. This sort of system is basically cheating without using cheats.

@SbmmMakesMeSmurf To an extent, high ping helps the player who has it. I've had a high ping before, (not by choice), and was very surprised by how many fights I was able to slip in and out of without dying and how many kills I was able to get as well.What I've meant as well is that while at a higher ping, lower ping players don't see you right away when you turn corners and you can shoot them after they turned corners, and the game would favor your shots more often due to lag compensation.

Being shot around the corners and through doors that is nothing.RecentlyI am knocked down and only after that I see enemy fire in my direction!This is competitive shooter experience right there!All of this on low ping servers with no connection issues reported with red icons or performance metric.

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Balladalidila
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@NickBeam27
I also believe that the game is "rigged" if rigged means there are variables that affect things so its NOT totally random. But how I differ from many on this forum is that I dont think those algorithms are specifically targeting me in a malicious way. I believe that everyone is playing under the same algorithms and rules and a proof of this is that people have drastically different KD, winrate and average dmg dealt. How can I for instance have 2.4 average KD when my Pred IRL friend has 5-6 and my hardstuck platinum friend not even 1 KD if the system is rigged in an unfair way? Our different KD just show that we play in the same matchmaking system and our individual skill is the variable that makes us get different KD.
When it comes to the matchmaking in pubs for instance, I do believe that the matchmaking tries to spread out all the players who performed well their last matches into different teams and then "fill up" with average-to-badly performing players. That is why "good" players often feel like they are matched with bad teammates. But I dont agree with those people who also claim that they always get bad teammates vs entire lobbies of predator sweats. What these people are saying is that the matchmaking is specifically targeting them to set them up for fail and I call that tin-foil hat theories.
Midnight9746
Hero+
3 years ago
@Balladalidila My concept of time might just be a bit off, it could very easily have been only 0.2-0.5s after I was trying to reload that the knock had occurred. I remembered being taken by surprise when they were knocked after a spray.

While I also believe that the game is rigged to some degree, like you've said, not in a malicious way, but more in a way like what @NickBeam27 had said. You get set up with wins and losses. The games you win, your teammates have an actual clue on how to play the game, where the ones you lose, your teammates are usually lower leveled, and/or have no clue how to play the game. They also might be the ones who run off trying to TTV solo everyone they come across or they steal every loot in existence regardless if their main is Octane.

In other words, the game feels like its intentionally giving you teammates it thinks you cannot properly work with or ones who would end up getting the team killed when trying to set up a loss, and then give you ones that would be more supportive or even better than you when trying to set up a win. Its still "random" in that way, yet when set up for a loss or win, your choices can change a lot.

Whenever I get teammates who push fights solo or does something else that is basically throwing the match, I would just disengage from the fight and maybe get their banner later if I could. There's no point in getting myself killed to either grab the banner or to try and win a fight that's usually getting 3rd, 4th, and 5th partied. Wraith isn't wrong when she says "every decision counts". The problem with some bad teammates is that they would block doors or get in your way, and you're unable to counter that to make a better choice, its a thing that happens sometimes.
NickBeam27
3 years ago
@Balladalidila Yes, I agree with that. "I also believe that the game is "rigged" if rigged means there are variables that affect things so its NOT totally random."

See I truly believe, now anyway, after seeing the paten and research from the Psychologists on the studies done with EA's involvement along with some other factors that the system or algorithm does try to retain you at all costs. We all know if I win every match in Apex during a session, I will definitely get bored and will end the session and probably not play for awhile, as I may feel I am not being challenged enough to keep me engaged in the game.
We also all know, that if we lose every game, game after game, getting destroyed within seconds of the first engagement.... we quit and don't tend to come back for awhile, if ever.
We also know that based on the two above that neither is going to attract as many sales on products....hence the research done at the University in human behavior. Remember EA will never spend oodles of money to understand how to manipulate human beings in the gaming industry out of money without exploiting their findings.

So from doing the research over the last 4 years and paying close attention and even going as far as to document sessions to notice a possible pattern I myself along with a few good friends have found the following... There comes a time when your own skill level will not be enough to win in your own Skill rating lobby, when the algorithm has decided based in your last few matches, how long they were, the KD after them, the damage and kills and placement that either you have had a few good matches to be retained that you are now able to safely take some loses at the expense of much higher rated players without losing you as a player. Vice versa, it seems to sense when you've been decimated 5 to 10 straight matches and based on their research you have a boiling limit that is where you quit and may not come back (certainty won't spend money) - this is where you end up in matches where your teammates are decent and your opponents are your skill rating and/or lower. Ensuring that this particular match is not necessarily a win, but a fun time... again to "retain" you. In the hopes that you will spend money at some point.

Now anyone that hates the conspiracy theory - this is your time to opt out lol.
As I believe that the above is accurate based on my findings. No one will ever convince me otherwise. However, with that being said... I ponder at times to what else is happening behind the scenes to ensure that we lose or win/have a fun match. As I believe that who you get as teammates or opponents alone can never be enough to ensure the outcomes they want. I worry that other factors aid in assisting the proper outcomes the algorithm is searching for when doing its thing to retain you - manipulation of things such as lag/ hit registration / recoil / movement.

We have all at times and have seen many posts on here where ppl have questioned, mentioned, complained about. Like, I use gun "A" every day and have mastered the recoil for years, yet there are matches every often where the gun you have mastered is completely incontrollable. Why? Was that just an off day? No I don't buy it. Having an off day means, you'll miss the odd shot here and there. There are times ppl have reported not being able to hit the broad side of a barn with their best weapon. Yet other times ppl use a gun they have never really mastered and yet report aim snapping like a pro and killing everyone they come across with ease.
Most just chalk up all these little things as server issues and maybe that is exactly what is happening. But I've seen enough consistent patterns that I personally don't believe every time I feel like my 0.6 aim assist on PS4 console for a particular match just felt like it went up to 0.8. yet the very next match I feel and can see that I have almost 0 aim assist and feel like the aiming is linear. Some matches after I have lost 10 in a row, Every single bullet hits its mark and I one clip ppl in milliseconds like the pros do. And after a win, my very next match I can literally see around 30% of my hits not registering. Coincidence? Maybe.... But you can't argue these things would ensure specific outcomes like losing or winning/ having a fun match.

I get it if this was once in a while things happening. But I see constant and consistent patterns that these above things only happen when I've lost too many or just won a match or had a high damage, high kill match with a good placement.

Just sharing my opinion. I'm sure this will stick me right into the conspiracy bubble lol.
Ph15chy
3 years ago
@NerfMyAimPlz

100% this. I know many games will switch to server side hit detection for a player once they reach a certain ping or higher, but that bar keeps getting raised to allow players with far too high of a ping to still have client side hit detection with newer and newer games. Just seems like a bad ploy to use less servers and save money at the cost of quality.

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