EA Nerf Wingman pls
Wingman is always OP in these seasons. High damage, no damage falloff and suitable for all range combat. Wingman is just a PISTOL, so please at least add the damage falloff like other guns. And in...
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@HLNorsemane Yea, you said it right.
But seriously, Pistols have its weakness against far targets. Wingman is described as "A powerful pistol", but it is still a "pistol", not a ARs that can shoot far targets and still deal the same amount of headshot damage.
For the second thing, since we only argue about the damage falloff, hence we haven't talk about the second suggestion at the beginning: Doubling the use of bullets of wingman.
You may refer to the beginning and see what I had suggested. I look forward for your idea.
But seriously, Pistols have its weakness against far targets. Wingman is described as "A powerful pistol", but it is still a "pistol", not a ARs that can shoot far targets and still deal the same amount of headshot damage.
For the second thing, since we only argue about the damage falloff, hence we haven't talk about the second suggestion at the beginning: Doubling the use of bullets of wingman.
You may refer to the beginning and see what I had suggested. I look forward for your idea.
@Xx__Miku831__xX In general, yes, pistols tends to be the weaker 2ndary guns in games, though there are however exceptions to that rule and that exception is socalled "hand cannons". These sidearms tends to not have that many bullets in their magazine, longer reload times, they have massive recoil and terrible bullet spread, poor accuracy and mediocre firing speed, but of course they hit like a truck.
As for the idea of making wingman eating 2 bullets instead of 1 isn't actually terrible per say. It is certainly doable if the devs wanna see even less potential for stacking shield batteries and stuff in the inventory. I don't use the wingman so for me personally such a change would not matter, but I am pretty sure that wingman mains would not be too happy about it. It is after all small modifications resulting in very big changes.
As for the idea of making wingman eating 2 bullets instead of 1 isn't actually terrible per say. It is certainly doable if the devs wanna see even less potential for stacking shield batteries and stuff in the inventory. I don't use the wingman so for me personally such a change would not matter, but I am pretty sure that wingman mains would not be too happy about it. It is after all small modifications resulting in very big changes.
@HLNorsemaneMy opinion is that pistols should be good at fighting at short range, able to fight at medium-short range and hard to fight at medium and medium-long range.
Since EA does not identify the positions of pistols well to players, hence it caused problems about the game balance. P2020 is fine after hammerpoint was added to the game, wingman done pretty well at all ranges except hitting those targets who 100+metres (seriously, this should not be identified as a fight when you shoot pistols to those far targets), RE-45 and Mozanbique? They are jokes.
I am surprised that you talk about the damage falloff first before the increase bullet use of wingman. I think this is much more terrible as it really affects the gameplay of wingman users more than just adding a range limit of headshots. Remember the reasons of EA introducing sniper bullets to the game, as they use fewer bullets when compare to all other types of gun (except shotgun), so they added this in order to reduce the chance of stacking more explosives/healings. But I mentioned before, EA failed to classify G7 as it used to be a sniper rifles that used a lot more bullets than other sniper rifles. Wingman faces the same problem, can deal the highest amount of damage per bullet use among guns that use light, heavy and energy ammo, and it is 1.5 times of the second highest damage gun (G7 scouts). It might be really harsh for wingman users that suddenly they need to bring 2 more stacks of heavy ammo to fight, but we cannot adjust the bullet use to 1.5 ammo/shot.
*Actually I want EA to fix this gun instead of putting this into care package, throwing all the problems into care package does not solve the problems. It is funny to see a pistol inside a care package, although I think that Wingman has similar strength when compared to the Devotion.@Xx__Miku831__xXTruth be told, you need to ignore the fact that Wingman is a pistol. While I agree with your opinion and most FPS games follows that philosophy, this one just can't.. Reason being is that other games restricts you to be able to carry one primary weapon (AR/SMG/Sniper) and one 2ndary weapon (Pistol).
This game does not follow that rule, here you can carry "two primaries" and because of that all the guns in the game kinda has to be within a stones throw away from each others in terms of power, while still maintaining their own identity and their own uniqueness..- @HLNorsemane I agree with your idea that pistols in this game should not be acted like a secondary weapon as they should have distinct advantages and disadvantages against different targets when they are available on the battlefield for them to choose. But wingman is a little strange about that, it acts as good as LMGs/ARs at the medium range (at least you can have a reasonable win rate against them), although you can't really compete with the SMGs/shotgun when you need to fight in short-ranged battle, but it is better than LMGs/ARs in that close range as you have a higher chance to headshot someone. For overall advantages, pistols should have their position between short-ranged weapons to medium-ranged weapons, which it should not act better than SMGs at close range and ARs at medium-long range, but it should act better than SMGs at medium range and ARs at short-medium range, which is similar to LMGs, but having different style of damage output.
- @Xx__Miku831__xX The Wingman is a hand cannon. Because of that, it is viable at medium ranges. But it really depends on what you want for the situation. An auto weapon is more forgiving if you miss, plus you can keep the pressure on. You really need aim.
And because it is a hand cannon, it works somewhat well in CQC. The other LMGs/ARs also work fairly well. All of them aren't as good as a shotgun or SMG. @Xx__Miku831__xXThere is always gonna be a favorite amongst the majority of people, that will never change. Take away wingman and boom, another gun steps up and takes the wingman's place amongst 80%+ of the player base. And then we'll be arguing about that gun instead of the wingman. As much as people loves the wingman though it is not the holy grail of all guns, if it was then you would see people not running around with not just 1 wingman, but 2 wingmen xD
The problem is kinda all weapons are just thrown away by the Wingman. Aka R301, Flatline, Spitfire and so on. And the reason is not only the damage and so on, but also the ADS speed, which is heavily reduced. While using Wingman you are at full speed, while ADS, which is a huge advantage.
And when we look at the AR, they are kinda close in terms of power, when we compare them. If we look at the pistols Wingman annihilate all of them.
But as i said before i think they have the right mind design it that strong and they do it with a reason.
In such games, there is always going to be tiers, and this is the right way.
- @LordloshBang Yes, we know there is a lot of potential in the wingman and a lot of high profile people loves that gun. Me though, I hate that gun, I cannot for the life of me do well with that gun. I miss almost all the time with that gun and that tells me not anyone can just pick up that gun and destroy with it, hell, not even the highest profile twitch streamer comes even remotely close to hitting every single shot with that thing.
Even those guys miss so much with that gun it sometimes amazes me that it's such a hot topic. They miss bullet on bullet and then switch to their R99 and down goes the enemy in less then 2 secs..
And I feel like I am the only one who notices this. - @LordloshBang Not really.
The Wingman requires really fast reflexes and aim, whereas the ARs I can spray more. Especially CQC, I try to hip fire Wingman, but it’s difficult. With an AR, I can hipfire and do great.
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