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4 years ago

How many more topics do we need to create to NERF OR REMOVE THE SHOTGUNS?

I mean seriously, EVERY SINGLE fight ends with some noob shotgunning the whole squad, because they are too OP, no aiming required, no precision required, just point to a rough direction and that's it...

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papahandsoap

4 years ago

@CrashA321 It's very difficult to have a conversation with someone who is only presenting "extreme" and "dramatic" fixes that would not be productive for the game's long term health, but only for your player experience. Shotguns are strong close range weapons, but there are strong weapons at every range. Like I said shotguns are a bit too plentiful and a bit over-tuned right now. They're much easier to find in ground loot and they're much easier to use "out of the box." But saying let's demolish the purpose of the shotgun archetype or nerf them so severely they become useless is just impractical and short-sighted man.

CrashA321

4 years ago

Well making it equally hard to use in close combat would not demolish the purpose. It would require the same amount of skill to land the shots and use these effectively, making it a choice to use, not a necessity to come out of fights as a winner. Making weapons useless is what happened to the prowler or the triple take, or what is happening to snipers now. Snipers should work good from long range. Now beyond 200 meters they are pretty much useless due to the slow projectile speed. Requiring pure luck to hit your target. That is what useless, not what would happen to shotguns if they halved the reload speed. Right now you just can't do anything about someone with an EVA8 and a purple bolt unless they are blind and drunk at the very same time. They can miss 2-3 shots, while you don't have that luxury with a 99 or a 301, or even with a havoc. And let's face it, the havoc barely have more effective range than a shotgun. And that is with the turbocharger. I see a huge bias from everyone, since it's much easier to melt someone with a shotgun from close range than really having the tracking and aiming skill. That would be fine in a PVE game, but this is a competitive game. Balance SHOULD exist and not only for using one type of weapon.

alexi507
4 years ago
@CrashA321 Shot guns are meant to be easy to use in cqb.....that's why they excel at it, if you have an r99 or r301 , beam them before they get to cqb distance (you know where they excel). It's super simple, there's nothing wrong with the shot guns. Even so I am more of a fan back when they were 2 taped. It meant danger. People who have moderate aim with the r99 like getting up to cqb range because it's easier to aim point blank, but complain because there is a counter to it.
- Shrimpess
  4 years ago
  @alexi507 Well, as Crash mentioned, it's a fast paced game, there are many gadgets and ability to manouver and get from one point to another. Sure, if they come running at you from the fields in the open without cover it isn't a threat, but this will never happen. They will alway be on top of you, using Valk's ult, jumpad, zipline or portal... they always have a way to be in your face, therefore no shotgun should be available, except mozambique, for that really doesn't count as a shotgun.
  - alexi507
    4 years ago
    @Shrimpess Then learn to get better positioning. Nobody forces you to play cqb, a team is porting on you, reposition yourself. It's not hard. A zip line above you, get to an advantage point before they get there.
    
    I'll stand by my point, shot guns should always excel at cqb. Wether you allow a team to get the jump on you and get close enough to you; it's on you, have counter measures and play defensive characters that repel them ( although they are all nerfed hardcore so it's not the greatest , I'll admit that)