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Well you can try to "correct" us and say that the person isn't hacking, but if we're going to talk about the reasons why without saying, "because of the way the cursor was moving", then there's a couple reasons.
From what I remember from the video (since it's gone now) at around the 20 second mark the guy peeks a corner with a Triple Take and shoots someone. After that they get hit with a longbow round to the head, they drop to cover and take a whopping two seconds to switch to their shield battery. That might not seem like a lot, but two seconds is a pretty long time, I'm sitting at Plat rank and it doesn't even take half a second for me to swap to a battery and use it after I've retreated to cover. If you watch higher skilled players stream, Diamond and up, you'll see that they know exactly what's where and they can swap to each item pretty quickly so they can get back into the fight.
Secondly after the person peeks the corner they make no effort to strafe or make themselves a harder target to hit. At the ring stage they were on (which was pretty close to the final stages) you'd safely assume someone somewhere has a Kraber and you'd move accordingly by strafing, crouching to make yourself a smaller target, and also not re-peeking the same corner over and over again. Instead the guy just stands still for a moment after taking a shot, which is pretty telling.
Adding onto that, after healing the person starts to take shots at the enemies sitting on the roof. The way they're firing is a pretty big indicator that they're cheating. If you noticed, their cursor was always on top of the enemy through an opaque wall despite the enemy moving positions constantly. The guy had no way of knowing where the enemy was through the wall he was taking cover behind, yet his cursor always remained on top of an enemy when he finally peeked to fire. Normally when you corner peek like that, you'd center your cursor to account for all the possible positions an enemy could be, and then you'd flick accordingly. Best example of this is CS:GO. All sites have positions that people play at, and while you can pre-aim positions in CS:GO, you really can't do that here as there's no "correct" position where someone would be playing.
So there you go, three reasons from the bits I remember of the video that aren't, "Their cursor was moving funny." Their reactions are abnormally slow for someone in such a high rank, especially compared to other players of similar rank. Their game sense is pretty poor considering the stage of ring they were on and their choice of how to start an engagement, and finally, their cursor was always centered on top of a target despite not being able to view said targets through an opaque wall, getting headshots pretty frequently.
You know if you're really trying to insist that this person wasn't cheating, you can just search "aimbot apex legends" and see similar footage.
Actually I'll do it since you'll probably just go, "i valuated it and i'm right and you're wrong", here's the video I looked at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbmkELTIy1g
Starting at the 2 minute 39 second mark, the cheater is demonstrating my third point, locking onto targets behind a solid walls you can't see through at a distance where it's impossible to see targets without a higher magnification optic because of the red dot sight. Shooting into walls you can't shoot through because the aimbot doesn't know any better.
At the 3 minute and 35 second mark, demonstrating my first point, an abnormally long time taken between being in cover and starting to heal. A whopping three seconds. You might argue the person isn't playing ranked, but I'll argue that at level 9 with 110 kills, you'd have to be pretty quick on your feet to get 12 kills per level.
Lastly at the 5 minute one second mark, compare how the person recording plays vs. the person who is cheating. Person recording immediately makes themselves a smaller target to hit. and quickly strafes back and forth to throw off the cheaters aim. The cheating? Walks in a straight line to the left.
Like Ive said two or three times in previous posts, but you probably just choose to ignore since straw man argumentation is the way to go: I DO think his behavior is really suspicious when it comes to the knowledge he seem to have about other players positions i.e. I think its very likely that he is using ESP hacks, which would go hand in hand with most of your points. But based on how his sight is behaving, both when it comes to pre-leading movement and how it isnt hard snapping to the target, I dont think he is using aim hacks. And yes, Ive watched many many Apex aim bots clips on Youtube and its exactly those Im comparing with when I make this assessment.
And just for the record; the guy landed only 6 out of 18 possible individual Triple take bullets during the jump pad jump , which isn't anything out of the ordinary at Predator skill level. But whatever man: lets agree to disagree; based on my assessment of the video, on his behavior and how his sight is behaving, I dont think he is using aim hack but its very possible that he is using ESP hack and I guess just have to accept that you all are certain he is hacker.
- 6 years ago
Yeah, doesn't look like EA or Respawn are actually serious about dealing with them. Nothing is more toxic than getting stomped by hackers, then getting a free win from one because you've lost too many matches, just to go back to going against more of them.
- 6 years ago
"...its very possible that he is using ESP hack...guess I just have to accept that you all are certain he is hacker."
Says it's pretty possible the guy is using a hack. Word choice suggests you don't believe the guy is hacking at all. Hmm. Interesting. So you're pretty sure he's using a hack, but I guess he's not hacking. Alright okay. You know I bought a Battlepass for 10 bucks, but I guess I haven't supported the developers.
- 6 years ago
What are you talking about? You are either just arguing for the sake of arguing, just trolling or are actually to stupid to understand the semantic meaning of a sentence. Im gonna explain in to you REAL slow and this is the last comment on this stupid thread because I start to lose faith in humanity when I read your comments.
1) The original poster posts a short video of a guy's game play during two fights and insinuates he is cheating. I watch the video and then CLEARLY addresses the case whether or not he is using aim bots (at this point, Im only talking about AIM BOTS), where my opinion is that no signs of that is shown in the short isolated game play that I watched in the OPs video.
2) The OP disagrees and start arguing that most aim hacks can predict the trajectory of a jump pad jump that hasnt even happened yet. I disagree but I also, in my second post, admit that many things about this players knowledge about enemy positions seem fishy and I clearly state that I dont think he is using aim hack but its very likely he is using ESP to see enemies through terrain.
3) Then some other guy comes in to the discussion claiming that I know nothing about aim hacks since I claim its impossible to code an aim hack that compensates for enemy movement and bullet drop. I answer that Im only talking about this specific short video of a guy's game play during two fights, and not talking generally, and from what I watched in this specific short video of a guy's game play during two fights, no signs of AIM BOTS, can be seen in my opinion.
Thats all there is. I dont think he is using an aim bot, based on the footage Ive watched, but its very likely he is using ESP, but its impossible to be certain since the only thing to base it on is a short video of a guy's game play during two fights.
- TheJumpingJawa6 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Babbediboopi wrote:2) The OP disagrees and start arguing that most aim hacks can predict the trajectory of a jump pad jump that hasnt even happened yet
You said that, not me.
TBH I've no idea where Jump pads even come into it, the video was of a path finder grappling....
- 6 years ago
Guy's just making stuff up to try and prove he's right. Quite literally says he thinks the dude is hacking, but then turns around and says he isn't hacking. "Oh no he only hit 6 of 18 possible triple take shots, wow he must not be hacking." Right right, I'm sure with an aimbot you'd hit 18 of 18 possible shots with a triple take, even though the guy didn't have a precision choke on. I'm sure that the other 2 bolts that are offset from the center bolt just magically go towards the center bolt with an aimbot. This dude must also be cheating since it seems like he knows waaaayyy more about aimbots than any of us, even after comparing the video to other videos of people cheating and agreeing that they're almost identical. God I guess we're all just not good enough at cheating to know anything about cheating huh.