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6 years ago

K&M Support on Console

With crossplay coming out, I think it would be nice for console players to have keyboard and mouse support. You could just add support for K&M and then make it where it matches you with pc players in...

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Anonymous

6 years ago

Okay it seems you're confused about my opinions on these topics. I'll make it more clear.

- I could care less if aim assist is in the game, but I don't think it should work on A: Mouse & keyboard users. B: Controller users with it disabled.

- I fully support NATIVE mouse & keyboard on consoles. I dislike the use of 3rd party devices because most people who use them don't understand it's not the same as native mouse & keyboard, plus it allows the use of scripts to comat ingame recoil and weapon handling.

- I want console games to start adding graphical menus like PC.
- I want people to stop saying mouse & keyboard is just automatically better.

- I'm the type of person who will spend $140 on a 3rd party controller like my Razar Wolverine Ultimate and move to mouse & keyboard and back again. I like to change it up all the time. I don't mind and/ or care what someone uses in a game, as long as that person doesn't get an assist on me, that I don't. So If i'm using a mouse & keyboard, I shouldn't get aim assisted on. Also, If i'm using a controller, I shouldn't get aim assist on a mouse & keyboard user.

Also my support for mouse & keyboard is simple, It should have it. It's not wonder why Apex Legends is so far down in the numbers. Just on Twitch 200K on Warzone, 32k on Apex Legends, That's huge! We're talking about COD Warzone that has a bigger community while also a know brand to be mostly just console users having full native support for mouse & keyboard on every console currently. No need for device, just plug N play.

Also with COD havning a great input device system that puts you with those same devices, I dont' see the issue if Apex Legends had the same thing. Also, Fortnite has millions of users on all kinds of different devices. With full on mouse & keyboard support, Do you ever hear of issues with mouse & keyboard talking over the game?

So if you ask me what Apex Legneds could add, It's Native full mouse & keyboard support, What do they have to lose what they haven't already?

MoNosDirtyGamin

6 years ago

@Popa2caps

You are asking for native support on console, yet your posts after that would be about aim assist respectively. Respawn know this and that is why it is weaker on PC and why they refuse to add it to console and mess with controller players like that. PC will always be riddled with hackers due to it being PC. Console won't get better graphical menu's until the console can fully support it, m&k is better than console which is why we needed aim assist in the first place.

Warzone has bigger numbers because they update more frequently, look at their timeline, they're already on season 5.... We're barely making it past season 6 and the game is still riddled with bugs, they've also just banned 200k accounts. We're yet to see updates in regards to cheaters on PC.

Updates and content are why warzone has higher numbers, if Apex stepped their game up and followed suit then there would be a direct correlation between numbers.

Fortnite launched at the perfect time; it had hardly any competitors and their skins updated daily after their initial launch. That is why they also have native support; but the game is awful to play in its current state due to too much going on and items being OP. I played it for 6 seasons straight.

Anonymous
6 years ago

"You are asking for native support on console, yet your posts after that would be about aim assist"

I play with the device I want, when I want. It's very simple. So this is why it's confusing to you I guess. You have to understand I use both devices without any bias towards one or the other. I understand how both work just fine. Controllers are OP with aim assist (my opinion). As long as they have an assisted software aiming for them, Their OP. With that, they should never be allowed to get this aim assist on people who don't have access to it. So yes, I want mouse & keyboard support, but I want servers just for them. No controllers and no pc players can use this server, Just console mouse & keyboard players.
Why not play on PC you may ask? Too many cheaters, It's that simple. It's not the mouse people using scripts i'm worried about, it's the aim lock wall hacks. I was reporting something like 20 cheaters a night with full video of each person at 2560 x 1440, 60 FPS. It gets really old watching, recording and editing just to game. So I gave up on Apex Legends PC.

AIM ASSIST
Please stop saying people need it, THEY DO NOT. Do you think if you keep saying it, people won't question it's use in video games? It's like motion blur, aim assist, FOV slider (field of view), lens flare, Devs keep adding aim assist because that's how it was done, not because it's needed. Most devs don't play video games. It's just a job. Even though I use a controller off and on, I hate it when companies have huge amounts of it, Why? If one it's a FPS, means most will never miss, That means I'll get shot a lot without most needing skills. In turn it makes people camp more.

If the title in question has fine advanced controls for the user, like - DEADZONE, AA, CURVE, SES,ADS SES, SCOPE SES, one doesn't need aim assist. Now with game companies like COD, Halo, Destiny, Gears,Battlefield etc, they do not make it easy for the end user to use a controller without aim assist, why? Because they have limited control settings.

I'm not saying simply disable aim assist and life is good. I'm saying controls should be set up for each end user for how they like them with fine settings in each game. Console players should ask more for their games. If you keep letting the companies run everything, they will never help you in the long run, they just want you to keep thinking you're good at what you're doing as long as you keep paying...

If you could just turn off aim assist in Apex you would see what I'm talking about, but there are a couple of issues here. If you turn off aim assist in Apex everyone (mostly) will still have it on. Trying to learn while everyone has a good aim is not recommended. Second issue is Apex Legends only allows aim assist to be disabled from the advanced menu.

So when you turn on Advanced controls, your controls get all messed up by doing so. If Apex Legends had a place for you to game without aim assist you would start to notice, it's not needed in video games, I'm just being honest.

There is yet another issue with this topic and that's the analog devices themself. These 40c parts are so poor, that no one has ever thought to improve them. Why? Microsoft and Sony make a ton selling new controllers to users every 6 months. This is the reason why so many games add deadzone control now. Some call it stick drift. If a mouse would fail after 6 months, the community would be up in arms and posting to Linus tech tips and they would be fixed in the matter of months. Meanwhile consoles keep buying into new controllers like they're getting something really new. Controller analog sticks have been the same for almost 25 years!

There is a side topic "bullet magnetism" that just moves your aimed shot to the target if it's close. Apex doesn't have it, but Halo, Destiny and COD do. If you thought aim assist was broken, just go look at how this. If you thought you had good aim in Halo and /or Destiny, this might hurt your ego.

So, why do companies keep adding this? In the video game industry, it's called dopamine kicks. If they reward the common user, they are more likely to purchase your product over and over. Being Apex Legends run off the F2P model, they need cash. They do not care if you personally like or hate aim assist just as long as you come back and spend money on their product.

I've said it before, consoles are coddled. Most players on FPSs on consoles could be 20s to 30s, that doesn't mean developers treat them like one. You, as a console user, should start asking for more.