Leave Penalty A Poor Excuse To Fix A Problem
With the introduction of a leave penalty in game it is clear Respawn have no idea how to fix an issue created by them self. Leave penalty is too easily abused and fails to actually deal with the c...
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@sireladio This is just drama at it's best. I'll address each one of your points.
First,
".... a large amount of the time its the poor servers and net coding fault."
This has largely been fixed. I have not had any kicks or .net or .leaf errors recently. Given the penalty was not active for much of Season 2 ranked, and will only come into effect for Season 3 ranked. This likely won't be an issue. You're just flaming for the sake of attention instead of looking at facts.
Unless of course, you have ISP issues, poor connection issues or otherwise. But those are YOUR issues.
Second,
"The restriction to leave when I am dead if I can be re-spawned is ridiculous...."
Alot of what you said here is your experience, which is subjective and based on who you play with and at what level. It does not speak to the entirety of everyones experience, so please again, stop fanning flames of drama.
If you can be brought back into the game, and you leave, you should be punished. Your squadmates risked picking up your banner and will try to respawn you. Taking squads on 2 vs 3 is nearly impossible at higher rank unless you have an element of surprise. Therefore, they NEED to respawn you.
It's starting to sound like you're part of the leaver problem if you like to leave before you can be respawned. Hence, this punishment is for you 🙂
Third and Final,
"This whole issue stems from one issue. No solo or Duo que in Apex..."
As with many others, it just sounds like you could care less about teammates, their experience and team based play. You simply want to play an FPS game where you are only accountable for yourself. Well, bad news Pepega, Apex Legends was built around team based play, strategy and outcome. Ranked will always encompass that.
I hope they bring back solo's just for you, so you can leave people in ranked team based play alone.
So there you have it, thanks for flaming the forum with drama with your frustration. Please now, move on.
@abromley039thanks, couldnt have said that better xD
@sireladioif you are one of those you leaves in a game: shame on you!!! i hate it sooo much when people do that. how often did i "risked my life" going to pick up a banner, where the player died because he was just stupid, but when i got there, maybe defeated 1 or 2 enemies, they already left the game, in mean WTF! how should you be able to win games like that when people always leave
@abromley039 wrote:This has largely been fixed. I have not had any kicks or .net or .leaf errors recently. Given the penalty was not active for much of Season 2 ranked, and will only come into effect for Season 3 ranked. This likely won't be an issue. You're just flaming for the sake of attention instead of looking at facts.
Unless of course, you have ISP issues, poor connection issues or otherwise. But those are YOUR issues.
Second,
"The restriction to leave when I am dead if I can be re-spawned is ridiculous...."Alot of what you said here is your experience, which is subjective and based on who you play with and at what level. It does not speak to the entirety of everyones experience, so please again, stop fanning flames of drama.
If you can be brought back into the game, and you leave, you should be punished. Your squadmates risked picking up your banner and will try to respawn you. Taking squads on 2 vs 3 is nearly impossible at higher rank unless you have an element of surprise. Therefore, they NEED to respawn you.
It's starting to sound like you're part of the leaver problem if you like to leave before you can be respawned. Hence, this punishment is for you 🙂
Third and Final,
"This whole issue stems from one issue. No solo or Duo que in Apex..."As with many others, it just sounds like you could care less about teammates, their experience and team based play. You simply want to play an FPS game where you are only accountable for yourself. Well, bad news Pepega, Apex Legends was built around team based play, strategy and outcome. Ranked will always encompass that.
I hope they bring back solo's just for you, so you can leave people in ranked team based play alone.
So there you have it, thanks for flaming the forum with drama with your frustration. Please now, move on.
Disconnected,
While this had been fixed to some extent respawn themself still admit there is problems. While I will say as of now its like 1 in 10 instead of 8/10. However the question is does a DC count as leaving? If not then the punishment is easily bypassed just by closing the app or dropping connection so you get DC.
Respawn Banner Pick Up,
It is also many others experience to so I am not flamming the flames there already burning strong. While you may risk the banner pick up many people dont even try. In 10 games today I have had 1 team pick up the banner.
Want to know why they picked up my banner? To loot my stuff and never respawned.
Overall,
Your reply is honestly just a fan boy comment. You gave no actuall input to the issue just your OWN experience. The same thing you complain about me for. You failed to address the concerns other than flamming saying how im wrong and its my own fault. However there is many reports and people who experience the same things.
The punishment fails to deal with the core issue. Let respawn show some stats on how often solo players get respawned. I can guarantee its under 10%. I have clips of team mates letting me die just to loot when I go solo.
Punish players for leaving at the start of match I agree with. However punishing players who dont wish to watch people run around for 20 minutes with no intention of respawning is ridiculous in a game thats already loosing huge amounts of players.
@sireladio Quote:
It is also many others experience to so I am not flamming the flames there already burning strong. While you may risk the banner pick up many people dont even try. In 10 games today I have had 1 team pick up the banner.
Want to know why they picked up my banner? To loot my stuff and never respawned.
So you die before your team mates in 10 out of 10 games? There's your issue. If you are playing like an idiot you will not endear yourself to team mates. For this to happen in every game, I suggest looking at your own actions.
On the subject of leaver penalties, it was needed. Far to many hot dropping clowns who then quit as soon as they die. Suck it up.
My suggestion, try not to die. Stop being Rambo. Stick close to your team mates. You know, common sense game play in a team game.
@Silz616 wrote:@sireladio Quote:
It is also many others experience to so I am not flamming the flames there already burning strong. While you may risk the banner pick up many people dont even try. In 10 games today I have had 1 team pick up the banner.
Want to know why they picked up my banner? To loot my stuff and never respawned.
So you die before your team mates in 10 out of 10 games? There's your issue. If you are playing like an idiot you will not endear yourself to team mates. For this to happen in every game, I suggest looking at your own actions.
On the subject of leaver penalties, it was needed. Far to many hot dropping clowns who then quit as soon as they die. Suck it up.
My suggestion, try not to die. Stop being Rambo. Stick close to your team mates. You know, common sense game play in a team game.
My mistake,
I meant that in 10 games where as I am killed or knocked. Not 10 consecutive games. My win rate is around 20% with most games going till top 3 while still going for kills not just camping all game.Due to my mistake in how I worded I will not comment about the clear attack on my gameplay.
However the idea the leaver penalty was needed ignores many clear issues with in the game that leads to people quitting mid game.1. There is no incentive to play for a res or banner when playing with randoms.
The game gives no real reason to push for a banner or to play for the res. Unlike with premade groups.2. No group finder
If leaving is such a large issue the first fix would be to make finding teams easier in-game. While the ability to invite the person you was playing with is a step it still lacks heavily. A group finder similar to games like Overwatch would easily see this changed.3. No options
Next is the options given to the player. This game fails to give players other modes that allow for single play style or duo. Making Duo and Solo a fixed aspect would fix this.4. Griefing
Another big think to think about is how easy this is to abuse as a grief mechanic. I have been in games where people are shouting abuse and swearing or using racist slurs. When there dead I am normally glad as they normally bring nothing to the team and are more of a hindrance than a help. Now I will make sure to kill the enemy team and leave them. Now they will be forced to wait nearly 3 minutes before they can leave. Going to be funny watching these people get banned because of me griefing ^,^5. Play Count,
Another large issue is the lack of players already in this game. Banning or suspending people because they dont want to watch people hide the whole game is going to see the player base dive.
Overall,
People complaining and wanting this leave penalty are short sighted and failed to deal with the core issue rather than the results. Respawn is to blame and instead of fixing the issue there fixing the results caused by the issue. People leaving is the result of not having alternative modes that allow for smaller squads. Instantly when you ad solo and duo into the game the amount of people leaving mid game will drop drastically in squads. Because most of the people leaving are solo players who enjoy the game but dont want to be stuck in a squad where 9/10 times the players are lower skill level.
Im just waiting now.
I cant wait to see all the reports complaining about how people dont get resed and are forced to be stuck in game due to it. I cant wait to see all the reports of people being left to die and waiting 3 minutes before they can leave. Also I bet its the same people complaining for the penalty who will be the first to cry in this community when they are stuck in games because of there own stupid wants with out thinking.
So lets wait and see.
The fun will begin soon and I cant wait for the crying to begin.
Just a comment on your first line: "With the introduction of a leave penalty in game it is clear Respawn have no idea how to fix an issue created by them self."The "problem" is entirely created by us players, where some people insist to play it with random people, with random play styles, with random competitiveness, with random experience, and random try-hardness AND with the expectations that these factors will be exactly according to their preferences.
These guys will NEVER be satisfied. If Respawn hypothetically implements a perma-ban the first game you leave, thus solving the "leaver problem" forever, people will come here crying about certain behaviors of your random team mate. "Boho my randoms dont try to pick up my banner or revive me at all times", "my randoms arent skilled enough", "my randoms wont push when I push/snipe when I snipe" "my randoms dont ping and communicate in the manner that Im used to" etc etc.
So there is no solution to this "problem" other than this: get some gaming friends (easiest via Discord I guess).
@Babbediboopi wrote:
Just a comment on your first line: "With the introduction of a leave penalty in game it is clear Respawn have no idea how to fix an issue created by them self."The "problem" is entirely created by us players, where some people insist to play it with random people, with random play styles, with random competitiveness, with random experience, and random try-hardness AND with the expectations that these factors will be exactly according to their preferences.
These guys will NEVER be satisfied. If Respawn hypothetically implements a perma-ban the first game you leave, thus solving the "leaver problem" forever, people will come here crying about certain behaviors of your random team mate. "Boho my randoms dont try to pick up my banner or revive me at all times", "my randoms arent skilled enough", "my randoms wont push when I push/snipe when I snipe" "my randoms dont ping and communicate in the manner that Im used to" etc etc.
So there is no solution to this "problem" other than this: get some gaming friends (easiest via Discord I guess).
While you say the problem is created by players I disagree on the basis there is no alternative. Most BR games allow for different amount of players . Normally 4 ,3,2,1. Apex however fails to give this option.
Due to this the only option ingame is playing with randoms. When you take this into account the issue is based on respawn for failing to give basic BR modes.
Next you blame the players however fail to blame respawn. There is no ingame group finder. There is no real way to easily find people of your skill. Inside tthe game.
If respawn wanted to force groups a built in group finder like overwatch has would have been an obvious route.
Also you blame players for being random. Sorry to tell you even in a perfect world people will play there own way. Due to this you are now punishing people who have no alternative and for doing what comes naturally.
Respawn is to blame for the issue 100%. Saying ow well find a group in discord is a ridiculous excuse. When solo and duo is a fixtured game mode then we can talk about suspension and bans for leaving in group matchs. However until these become fixtures the issue is not dealt with.
Remember. If respawn punish you for DC there will be major issues. So respawn have to make DC's imune from punishment. If this is the case it takes even the most computer illiterate user 5 minutws to work out they can easily Dc and skirt the ban.
Next is the issue of griefing. If i thought of ways to abuse people with it so will others. This then creates anothwe issue and doesnt even fix the core issue.
Sorry but this punishment system is a flawed concept by people complaining cause randoms leave. Whats next? Bans for failing to respawn? Suspensions for not picking up banners. Its stupid and people who think this os gpong to Improve the game are seriously mistaken. Expect the player base to drop again once it comes into affext
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@sireladio wrote:
Expect the player base to drop again once it comes into affext
Maybe the ones that leave games prematurely, never pick up your banners, or solo drop somewhere else on the map away from your squad? We hope once this goes into effect it's not going to deter anyone from playing more nor do we want players to feel like they're being "punished."
There's a lot of forum posts though from others that feel too many players are solo jumping elsewhere or just not being patient enough to wait for teammates to grab their banner. Ranked is competitive and this feature in sense should help encourage others to reach a common goal of moving up the ladder.
It might seem like a long time spectating your teammate and hopefully they give you some signal they'll go for your banner, but there times when going for the banner is simply just too risky. If you timed out and want to earn more RP, put faith in your teammate and continue to spectate. Toss out some calls for them that might make the difference between 5th place and 3rd. Can't tell you how many times some teammates quit early and still finished top 3 by myself.
Wow, someone felt like flaming another person that is genuinely concerned about the game.. the issue is that though it’s a team game there are times when you want to play alone or without a random third. And some people want that all the time anyway. Instead of growing the community, Apex is not only missing potential players, but losing them.
No need to jump all over someone who is communicating the issues they’re experiencing. Just because your experience runs perfectly doesn’t mean there isn’t something to be fixed.
- @abromley039 Jemanden nieder zu machen ist einfacher als auf die Probleme zu reagieren .
No quitting penalties are f#cking stupid and shouldn't exist. If I want to quit and start a new game then I should be able to. F#ck waiting for my dumb@ss teammates who are going to die any way. Why would I want to wait and see if I can olay again no f#ck that its stupid. The person who suggested it should be fired or deported into the ocean.
- @fr0stb11te This is an extremely old post.
No need to be so toxic.
Also, leave penalty is only in Ranked, where you’re supposed to stick by your teammates and not disconnect at any time. It’s competitive, so leaving and screwing your teammates over is not really an option.apex is build as a team thing and i dont think solos are nessesary
I think your absolutely incorrect. The leaver penalties seem to be issued at random, at best. They need to fix the issue where there is no way for you to be rez'd.
Are you happy being trolled all game by players who refuse to res you? (well I guess you can eat your leaver penalty then)
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