Lets Talk About 'Skill-Based Matchmaking'?

@BennSaunaI have no idea. I just saw a guy on another thread say that these changes were made on the advise of, and supported by, streamers.He was saying that because streamers are what keeps this game alive, and Apex pays some of them, they’re listening to them. 

For the record he opposes SBMM and was being cynical about the motives of the new changes. 

@DarthVaaparIm far from being pro but I agree with everyone else, this game is going to die sooner or later unless changes are made regarding SBMM im no wheres close to being a pro Im lucky to get 3-5 kills and have never been over 10, but let me ask you this, Why would I want to improve if the game is only going to get harder and less enjoyable than it already is... theres no reason to improve if your going to be punished, On fortnite i honestly don’t even know what a pro is I run into a player they build some fancy fortress in front of me I just look at it like tf is this and kill them when there mid air jumping down on me lmfao idk how to describe it but on fortnite there dosnt seem to be SBMM It says im 30 ish but I killed this level 277 dude twice but it was on an event mode, anyways the weapons seem more balanced compared to apex legends, and there really dosnt seem much ‘’skill’’ unless someones great at building but on apex with all the abilitys and crouch sliding and everything else available the term ‘’skill’’ goes to another level if your against players who can do all of the above with perfect precision aim and never miss a shot, theres no enjoyment in the game just getting your butt wooped when you want to have a good time Imo Ranked should be competitive, Casual should be Casual not Ranked Casual I do agree Ive gotten more wins in season 3 but i literally am lucky to do 30 damage some games most games my squads eliminated on drop or within the first few minutes theres been games ive played for over 8 minutes and didnt do any damage because everyones hiding or people knock you with G7s before you even turn around G7 seems op af but im not crying for a nerf I kinda like it myself as a close range weapon, anyways I want casual to have that randomness that got me hooked when I first started the game some games were competitive, some were casual, one squad may have a try hard pro and the next may be a noob, sometimes you met people your skill level other times people above/below it you honestly never knew what to expect but now you can pretty much expect every fight before the game even begins everyones the same my aim is pretty crappy but like I said earlier why should I want to be better if Im going to end up punished for it like everyone else... I feel punished as it is, probally why i played fortnite all week and apex for maybe an hour or 2 to do dailys or until I was sick of it and couldn’t take it anymore

@FaIIenAngeI777Fortnite has SBMM.

We are near the same skill level. My experience is mostly just like you describe. But I have had 6-7 kill games periodically. Other than 7 kills, I has one game with 13 kills and 2800 damage. I was not only in the zone during that match, but the enemies were largely facing the other way! Lol. Fog of war and all.

I’m beginning to think that the Holo-Day Bash is disrupting SBMM. It’s very popular. You can find a game in seconds at all times. Maybe that’s leaving the standard lobby servers with having to fill with mixed tiered players. I don’t know.

All I know is since season 3 started, my kills are up, my wins are up, and my experience is better. And the holiday update hasn’t changed that for me very much. That best game above I describe was after the update. But let me be clear, I still get consecutive matches with zero kills regularly.

Ranked isn’t setup for SBMM. It’s just a basic point system with no real ELO to speak of. It’s just a side mode to chase a few extra cosmetics, particularly for top tiered players.

This game is F2P with monetization solely based on cosmetic purchases. The vast majority of the player base is at our skill level. The overwhelming majority. In order to retain this base, and continue with revenue, you can’t continually pit them against predator level guys. This is basic business logic. If they lost all predator players tomorrow, they haven’t really lost much. If they lost all the standard players, then there is no game.