Lets Talk About 'Skill-Based Matchmaking'?
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@TerrorFirmerIE wrote:I really don't understand how SBBM is working, because I just started playing ranked instead and I'm currently in Platinum III and progressing, my k/d there is something like 1.5 and average of 600 dmg per game or so.
When I play public, the game is just impossibly hard, the enemies are so much better than me, and way better than average game in Platinum. Keep in mind I'm a 'normal' player with a k/d now of 1.0 but this is the adversity I'm getting in public.
I honestly have no idea what way it's working with public but it's really baffling. I also noticed that lots of people in my lobby have trails which I believe means they are diamond or apex predator?
But like why an earth are these people constantly appearing in my lobby when I'm an average player with a k/d of 1.0??! It's not fun. I just get wrecked every single game
Point-blank, I cannot give you all the answers. Your feelings are exactly why I made this thread with hopes in the back of my mind of potentially receiving developer response. If you are skilled average within your skill range and are fighting the average level of player within your skill range, you will come to expect a low K/D around 1 to be normal.
Thank you for taking the time to write out this information and offer your perspective.
I also appreciate how you’ve approached a lot of this. Out of my group of 7 friends that play I tend to do the best. BARELY made Diamond 4 (All I wanted was the trail) with a KD of 1.35 lifetime/1.8 Season 3&4. But I can’t play with my friends anymore because I’m not good enough to carry them through the hell that are the casual lobbies I’m dropped into. I cannot even begin to compete with even Diamond 1’s and 2’s consistently, let alone premade Pred Squads. Yet every game, that’s all I see, to the point where my group dreads queuing with me.
Interestingly enough, in my one and only ranked match this season, in Gold 2, I was immediately placed in a lobby with exclusively SEASON 4 diamonds and preds. Season 4, meaning they’d already hit that rank THIS season, not last. I was befuddled. And subsequently demolished. But this led me to understand that the game has absolutely no idea how to MM certain people, casual or ranked. I literally cannot seem to get a match with anyone not above my skill level/consistency(with this being the major issue for me).
- @CheeseyPos_3wtw Sorry, but just reaching diamond means you're a cut above the rest, you SHOULD be matched up against better skilled opponents one way or the other.
I do understand that ranked game though, it is early on in the season and a lot of people are still climbing the ranks, over time, if you queue up in gold you shouldn't see any dive trails. I agree with you and I think everyone in this thread against SBMM would agree with you that when you are a certain skill level, you should absolutely be matched against similarly skilled players. The whole point of our argument, however, is that we have a ranked mode where this is and should exclusively be the case. Ranked did not always exist, so initially SBMM made overall more sense since there were only public lobbies. Now, however, there is a MM option for ranked games with rewards where the competition is comparable and a MM option for casual games with no rewards. The frustration many people find is the lack of parody. Why include a ranked option at all if all of the games played are the same anyways? A BR game is designed to be random and RNG based. If you have a dedicated mode for aggressive, sweaty play, then keep the general mode actually randomized.
An as for that ranked game, I agree it’s early, but my point was not that I was already playing with Diamonds and Preds, which I expected, but I was playing with Season 4 diamonds and Preds, meaning they’d already hit those ranks this season, but last. That’s what confused me. I knew I’d be playing with diamonds at least this early on, but I expected those diamonds to still have gold/plat ranks for season 4 since I’m still only Gold.
I hope this makes sense. I can appreciate your point of view and I think you make some valid points, but it’s the overall setup that has a lot of people frustrated.
@CheeseyPos_3wtwThe problem is that the “Ranked” mode is not a true SBMM ELO. You can straight up camp from zero tier to Platinum IV without hardly firing a shot. It is far from skill based.
There is zero question that SBMM needs to be in the core mode. The issue is, is it really even there? I’m seeing, like a lot of others are, a huge disparity in skill of the players in any given match. An example: the highest level of my two random squad mates will be, say, 36. The Champion squad will have a guy with over 12k kills, another with half that much, and the third with well over 1000. How are these people on the same field together? It doesn’t appear the SBMM is implemented at the moment.Come on EA fix the damn problem man it can't be that hard to fix!! im lvl 30x and play with players lvl way under 100
- @CheeseyPos_3wtw For sure it'll make pub games sweaty. The difference is you're not playing for RP, you're just playing. Ranked mode has you playing FOR something other than kills and changes the gameplay of most people in it dramatically.
Pub games don't have anything other than going for a goal (a win, a badge, you're most damage/kills, etc.) it SHOULD NOT be a mode where the benefit is for better skilled players to go up against less skilled players. Most people have the POV that it's ok for better skilled players to get 20 kill badges where most, if not all, of those kills came against people FAR less skilled, I'm not. I'm one of those far less skilled players, and it doesn't help me "git gud" to get wrecked before I even have time to react.
I think BECAUSE of the recent SBMM implementation and ranked mode I've gotten a TON better than way back in seasons 1 & 2 where I had absolutely no chance because I was getting matched up in games and dying to guys like backoffmyjankz (yes, in 2 separate matches, he's killed me 4 times).
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