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You see, the problem with any mm is that in order for it to feel good you need to be matched with people below you. And asking for matches that are "fair" creates the very problem you face now - too much sweat. Imagine fighting yourself every time you want to play - it would be a nightmare and prob is. So essentially there is no getting away from it no matter how you try to spin it. It will only get worse the better you get. At least you know you are better than those players telling you nothing is wrong - it means they are still playing in Bronze/rookie lobbies lol 🙂
- 3 years ago@Unitee01 I think the majority at this point, would rather play their doppelganger- hence a 50% chance to win and lose. However, going up against players much more skilled turns your 50% chance to win or lose - to a 95% chance to lose and 5% chance to win, if not lower.
An OHL hockey team playing another OHL team in the same league is in a sense - playing your doppelganger. 50% chance to win or lose.
Now take that OHL team and pit them against a top NHL team and chances are your 50% win or lose rate just changed to a 99% chance to lose and 1% to win.
There is Apex MM at its current state in a nutshell... ranked or pubs.
Would any others agree or disagree? - and why?- 3 years ago
@NickBeam27Look Nick, I get you, but what alternative is there? My stance is if you put in effort to get good you should see the benefit of that - slay lobbies. Sbmm means you will never slay anything aside from when the game randomly puts you into some low elo lobby on purpose. Which btw is a thing! The 20 kill badge for eg is earned in low elo lobbies, there is no way preds are killing 20 preds for eg...
So weather you want it or not, and weather sbmm is a thing or not no one will be happy in the long run. In order for one person to succeed with sbmm someone else always has to suffer. To me, the only remedy to this is to have random lobbies with a wide variance in skill aka no mm. That seems fair., as soon as you "plan" a plyer's lobby you are essentially rigging the match, I call bs on that.Better plyers should have better stats that show and lesser players should lose more, that is what makes sense to me, even if it means I, myself will be losing more matches, at least I know it is fair and my stats actually mean someting.
- 3 years ago@Unitee01 I personally would prefer no MM over whatever it is Apex is using. I just personally find in ranked which I only started playing about 3 months ago (been playing Apex since beta) and for me personally when I was in Brone 2, I was pitted against 20 bomb, 4K diamonds. When I made it to gold 2 ( which was the farthest I got before I quit and went back to pubs) I was seeing regularly ex-masters and preds with 20 bomb 4K badges and upwards to 155,000 kills - in gold 2!
Something is wrong here imo - for ranked especially. Hence what I mean about the OHL team going up against a top NHL team.
More buckets makes sense - like a bucket for rated 1 and 2's, bucket for 3's and 4's / one for 5's and 6's / 7 and 8's and one for 9's and 10's. even that makes more sense to me. However, smurfing will implode this at some point as well.
Its just frustrating to be pitted against players you have no business going up against.
I like the idea of playing myself. Sure, will be a real sweaty match, but with a chance to win and either way, win or lose - exciting. As opposed to real sweaty with 0 chance to win.
Only my opinion.
- CCbathwater3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@NickBeam27Not my MM. I played AHL and NHL players half the time, but my teammates were literally coming straight from a beer league. I just can't... doing +2000 dmg, playing a +100.000 kill Lifeline champ 3-stacking with her two Master badge friends, lobby, with my max. 200 dmg teammates. If I play Ovechkin, Backström, and Oshie, I need Crosby and Malkin on my team, to have any kind of chance. I just never get them.
That's partly why Control's more fun. Way more balanced MM. 8 teammates, so the chance of having 1-2 of them who can play is higher.- 3 years ago@CCbathwater Hey, but, come on you are pretty much cracked 🙂 I've seen a lot of you posts and from what I gather you are actually crazy good. Way better than me lol. Either way, I think you will be just fine in a no mm lobby, in fact I think you would flourish. Hell, we should team up lol carry me hahaha
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