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Midnight9746's avatar
2 years ago

"New Anti-Cheat"

I've heard we were gunna get a better anti-cheat for S21.... sooooooo... where is it? 

I've played 2 matches of solos and I've saw 3 aimbotters, wall hackers, and one of them was lag switching. Clearly there was no anti-cheat improvements or changes if the obvious cheaters are still allowed to play.

I guess the only solution is to uninstall the game, which sucks.

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  • @Midnight9746 EAC team make these cheats too. So ofc if new anti-cheat was released, cheats what can kill it were released too.

    And tbh it's a classic story in every game what uses EAC, what did you expect.

    Nothing changed at the end.
  • Asmodeus566's avatar
    Asmodeus566
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    2 years ago

    @Dzikusek94 "EAC team make these cheats too. So ofc if new anti-cheat was released, cheats what can kill it were released too."

    Lets try not to spread false information. 

  • Aldebera's avatar
    Aldebera
    Seasoned Veteran
    2 years ago
    @Asmodeus566 Oh, and I suppose you have proof of it being a false claim? This statement has been echoed since S13. There has been compelling evidence to support that this is not false information, however, we are supposed to ignore that because you say it isn't true? Good luck with that.
  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
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    2 years ago

    @Aldebera I don't know if this is true or not, but it sounds like it is because there's so many cheaters. Especially within the first hour of the "new anti-cheat", several cheaters already bypassed it. I get it if it took them 24 hours to bypass, but 1 hour? Yeah, no, something is up.

  • EA_Mako's avatar
    EA_Mako
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    2 years ago

    I think it's important to set some expectations. Better Anti-Cheat does not mean you'll no longer see cheaters, though I'd love it if things were that easy.

    This could be any number of behind the scenes improvements that may not be apparent if your only criteria is, "Are cheaters still in the game?" 

    One recent-ish change I've appreciated was showing in the killfeed when someone's removed from a match. Personally, the visibility to when action is taken is a huge thing for me when I'm reporting in Apex or other games, but not having that visibility isn't an indicator that cheaters are somehow allowed or nothing's being done.

    I've seen countless examples of cheating being discussed here or on Reddit that are indeed pretty obvious, and when passed along to our security team more often than not those accounts have already been banned.

    That doesn't retroactively make any games they were in prior to that point feel any better, but cheaters are absolutely still being actioned and we're still constantly working to address this industry-wide issue on multiple avenues. In the meantime, let's avoid spreading misinformation and conspiracies that couldn't be further from the truth. 

    As to the original question, I'm not aware of any other specifics we've announced for Apex, but there were a couple mentions in the season patch notes along those lines. I'd take rumors and datamining with a grain of salt unless we make any official announcements.


    • Additional security improvements
    • Upgraded to the latest version of Easy Anti-Cheat
  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
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    2 years ago

    @EA_Mako What I'm saying is that if the game had 100 total players, and 10 of them are cheaters, the newer anti-cheat doesn't feel like its working when it becomes 20 players, (or more), out of the 100, who are using cheats.

    I wasn't expecting the newer anti-cheat methods to erase all the cheaters, (that would of been nice), however I was expecting to see less cheating, not more. Then again at the start of each new season, a lot of cheaters get on just to ruin it, so can't say I'm surprised, I'm just annoyed that cheaters just keep ruining the game.

    Furthermore, I've heard that the one who hacked the ALGs is back hacking, and it doesn't seem like all the cheaters from the rumble mode were dealt with yet. In fact, the rumble section is completely removed from the game select tab as if its being hidden.

    Majority of the playerbase already knows that most of the "top 100" were cheaters, like you can't fool anyone when the average points was 5k, and then there was a bunch with around 8k, and those who had 17k and 20k, all with damages and kills, and no assists to boot. No matter how "good" you are, the kind of points they were getting were too much to be legit.

    I did the math with the one who was around the 17k mark, and they did around 17k damage PER MATCH, (total damage: 171,857), over 10 matches, and their kills were an average of 45 WHOLE squads, or around 136 players per match of 3 Strikes, (total kills: 1,364). In normal battle royal, this would of meant that they killed off 75% of the lobby AS A SOLO, that's more than enough to ban them, especially when it was consistent cheating across 10 matches as a solo player.

    I also don't see anyone in the kill feed getting banned, even when they're blatantly cheating. I only see them in the kill feed killing everyone else. Also, please have the team raise the level requirement for rank, level 20 is FAR too low. Cheaters can just bot in Mixtape or go AFK in pub matches and then jump right into rank the moment they hit level 20, which isn't very hard to do. I've hit level 20 in like the first 3 days of playing back in S0. Level 50 takes longer to reach, but I'd like to see it require players to be level 100. Most cheaters are below level 100. Then again, that places stress on other modes as the cheaters flood those ones instead.

  • KarlThorsten89's avatar
    KarlThorsten89
    Seasoned Rookie
    10 months ago

    Agreed.

    Only speculating here, but it feels like this "Anti-Cheat" is intentionally easier to get through. As if EA wants everyone to quit playing Battlefield 1 and V and move to the newer one.

    Again - this is just speculating, but this is EA. We know EA has a tendency to behave like the most evil bullies ever at school.

    It was clear from cheaters for a short while, then it became worse than ever, I also experienced this. A few days of bliss, pure equal footing on all teams, and then HELL ITSELF THREW OUT IT'S WORST SOULS. These following reasons make sense:
    1: The anti-cheat programmers are unskilled and/or dumb.

    2: They are good programmers, but made a mistake, and it is being exploited.

    3: As I already said - it is intentional. EA is sabotaging their own old games to force people to quit so they can shut down the servers more quietly and make it look like they had no choice.

    4: All of the above?

    5: Inside job - someone leaked enough info to make it extremely easy to bypass the anti-cheat.

    There can be more reasons, but I won't list too many more. But again, this does feel intentional, since it is so much worse with cheaters than it was a few days ago. Like you say, Midnight, something is definitely going on here.

  • HappyHourSumwur's avatar
    HappyHourSumwur
    Seasoned Ace
    10 months ago

    Well that didn't happen, or if it did it had absolutely no impact.  IMO the only way to have any chance against cheaters is to completely scrap EAC and go with something AI & machine learning based.  EA would also have to spend money to hire active admins who police servers and validate what the anti-cheat is seeing, and they aren't gonna do that.