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Pijabyivu's avatar
2 years ago

New to the game, fun but matchmaking is the worst I've seen ever

This game is incredibly fun. I had a blast with orientation matches and some earlier matches. I did quite well. Got 11 kills one game.

So is my doing well why I'm getting nothing but noob teammates now?
In the last 20 games I've had 1 good teammate worth keeping alive.
Everybody else has been:
1. Slow to loot, spending minutes at a time at one bin
2. low damage, no matter how long a fight has been going on. I'll rack up 1000+ damage and they will be on <200
3. leave early for no reason, even when revive was very doable. Some even leave after we win the fight. What?
4. Lack of basic movement skill. Look I get it, movement is hard, but come on, sliding isn't that difficult. Most my teammates just stand there.

5. When we get into long range engagements, team will blindly run directly at the enemy with no care for cover, tactics, anything. They run at them and die.

It's been nothing but 1v3s and 1v2s when I do duos. Why are you forcing me to play at a disadvantage by giving me no teammates worth anything? Why am I being punished for being good at pointing and clicking?
I really doubt I'm being paired with players. There's no way you're finding so many players who have clearly never touched a video game before and sticking them on my team. I'll get rolled by a coordinated enemy team and what can I do? Die, because EVERY SINGLE FIGHT IS A 1v3 (not counting the number of times 4 enemy teams seemingly spawn out of the trees all only shooting us suspiciously like we are int he hunger games and that weird mustached man spawned something specifically to kill US.)

Get your @$%* together, Respawn. You used to be such a good developer. What the heck happened?

10 Replies

  • Honestly, the bot lobby I got put in was way more fun than anything I've played recently. I can still tell my opponents are bad too, but only so much I can do 1v3, even if they are bad.
    You've got bot lobbies and bots in your firing range, let me just play vs bots in the actual BR mode.

  • Are you playing a lot of solo queue and get teamed with duo? if so then you fall offer to the Respawn dumb rule that premade people meet higher ranked lobby, but wait, if they are a duo we need to give them a team mate. Why not give them a team mate in their own rank? NAH lets give them a team mate from the lobby rank we put them in. Resulting in cross rank matchmaking where bronze players play with gold players. AKA I am a victim here too. I consistently play only with bronze duo garbage in a gold lobby because I am a solo player gold rank currently. So do they think this is fair that expect me to carry their sad * in a lobby they can't handle even though they are a premade? I would say hell no you are robbing me of my enjoyment and only bring us frustration as it feels like they penalize me as solo player because there exists duo players.

  • @drevinum9 Sounds like this could very well be the case. Though this is still happening when I solo q in duos.
  • @Pijabyivu
    Imagine for a minute if you were on a team with two others at your skill level.

    Since you realize many of the players on the map are low level (as per your observations above), do I need to say more?

    BTW, I am not that great of a shot but I am getting better. What helps me is being on a team with people of better skill who work with me as a team and not run off so far ahead of me that I can't help them in time, or leave when I could craft their banner but they see I am not going to engage with the squad of 3 by myself in self preservation of my squad's future fight.

    Being with a good team helps me stay calm and I can aim well. The last match I played we won and I racked up some damage because I knew the people I was playing with made a real team. But such a team is perhaps 1 out of 10 these days.

  • MrGreenWithAGun's avatar
    MrGreenWithAGun
    Rising Ace
    2 years ago

    @drevinum9Actually I think it is the time of day. The later in the night, from 11pm on, the worse it gets. I find the best time is 3pm - 9pm for people who think in team work.

    In fact, if I play past 9pm ET, then I will jump on the Dallas or Salt Lake servers to bump the clock back 2 hours. Not joking. I do this in hopes to find a good team. But the east coast seems to be the best team players overall.

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    2 years ago
    @MrGreenWithAGun You have a point, I'm in the CST timezone and from like 7 AM, maybe 9 AM, its decent until around 3 PM, when most people get out of school or off work. It then gets worse and worse the closer I get to 12 AM. I usually play at night, as its more of my "morning", and most of the tough games or ones filled with cheaters or smurphs happens between 5 PM and 11 PM. It usually gets better after 11 PM, unless its the weekend. However, I will say that some people don't have a life, such as myself, and there's been times where between 2 AM and 8 AM, its the same as if it was between 5 PM and 11 PM.

    I think its a few factors:

    - Time of day
    - "Skill level"
    - How many are online
    - What mode you're playing

    I'm not sure about @MrGreenWithAGun, but I play rank. I rarely play pubs or mixtape modes. For me, its a nightmare in the evenings into early mornings in ranked matches for most days.
  • MrGreenWithAGun's avatar
    MrGreenWithAGun
    Rising Ace
    2 years ago

    @Midnight9746I just read your comment and decided to try rank.

    I played one game and I won't play any more until i get better at this.

    However, do you feel that the players in rank are more serious in team work?

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    2 years ago

    @MrGreenWithAGunTo explain things easier, I'm going to say it as a 10/10, (how many matches out of 10 matches)

    Team work in pubs: 1/10

    - Reasoning: 9/10 times, people are only focused on hot dropping, or doing their own thing. There's no reason to work as a team when dying means nothing other than lowering your K/D, (kills to death ratio). There's only been a small handful of times where teammates bothered to work with me, or where I felt the "vibe", and was more inclined to work with my teammates. To put it bluntly, if I think you're going to get us all killed, or you're making bad calls, etc. I will simply ignore you. I may try to recover the banners, but I mainly don't hesitate to be a solo player. This is the same thought process for a lot of players, as far as I can tell. In pubs, players first thoughts is themselves over the team. I try to be a team player, but most of my randoms usually end up in a deathbox, so yeah.

    Teamwork in ranked: 3/10

    - Reasoning: 7/10 times players do their own thing. They run as a duo team, or they run off as a solo, etc. Everyone plays their own way. In previous seasons, players made more of an effort to be a team. So, I would say for S16 and below, it was more of a 6/10 for teamwork. Now that ratting is basically the meta there's not as much teamwork as there used to be. I would say its a 2/10, or even a 1/10 like pubs, however players stay in the matches more, and for the most part they try their best, even if they're bad at the game.

    Overall, in ranked, I could be minding my own business and then notice that both my teammates are following me and staying close to me. I take that as them deciding that I'm the "leader", and I would try my best to keep both of them alive and to work with them. (I keep the game chat muted at all times, its not worth having it unmuted unless they're friends). Sometimes I find myself following the other two and we work together, and for the most part, my randoms ping out things, even for items no one needs. In other words, rank had more on the line, and so players made more of an effort to stay alive. However with S17, they won't hesitate to run for the hills the moment ratting sounds like a better idea to them.

    I will say that in terms of teamwork, its about mindset and playstyle. You can have teamwork but be bad at the game, you can have teamwork and rat the whole game, etc. I've played games where all 3 of us had terrible aim and it resulted in one of us running away. I had to recover both of the random's banners 2 times throughout the match, and they both had their turn doing the same with my banner card. One of these matches, we actually manage to win even though we were practically playing like a bunch of rookie players. (This was in S15). We were all trying to have each other's back, and by doing so, we managed to win.

    That's the thing with Apex. Everyone has to be willing to try and change their playstyle to fit the team. Its much like how you don't really see the top pros like Hal, HisWattson, ItsTimmy, etc. play as "non-meta" legends. Back when Lifeline had the revive shield, she was meta, she was "overpowered", and the pros made teams where they used Lifeline's passive as a turning point for pretty much any fight in any match. Some players would even revive their teammates just to block incoming shots and then fire back, only to block the shots by reviving again. These were key strategies. In other words, if your teammates are taking things slow, take things slow, if they're pushing fights, push fights with them. For me personally, it isn't realistic to play how everyone else is playing, since I'm not used to different playstyles, and players can change tactics on a dime and I might not notice. I've had randoms who pushed fights, so I pushed, and then they ran away, and I was still fighting, thinking they were still with me.

    The game is about adapting to change and to the team, however its not even second nature to most players, even I struggle with this. While a lot of times I think, "I should run", or "I should relocate", I could do that, and avoid dying with my teammates, but that's the thing... they didn't think to expect any kind of danager much like how I would fight teams as a 1v3, not realizing it. If the community was less toxic and the game was more balanced, and players had a general idea and common sense, and even an incentive to work with their teammates, then I'd say there would be a lot more teamwork.

    Watch any of the ALGs matches as an example. These players don't have much room for toxicity, the games are more "balanced", (aka no heat shields, etc.), each team are pre-mades who play together, work together, and communicate together. They know what each other are good at, what they're bad at, which legends is meta or a good team combo, (like Revenant / Octane pre-nerf, Seer / Catalyst pre-nerf, etc.) They think about their actions more and they train themselves to react quickly in any situation. Then there's the last part, the incentive... who in their right mind would sabotage not only their teammates, but themselves out of the reward money?

    In short, teamwork is a group mindset and the willingness to change how you play. If everyone isn't "vibing", or thinking alike, they will fall apart, especially if there's no communication in any way, including by pinging. If you do something and hope, (or just expect) your teammates would do something else, that in a way isn't teamwork. Teamwork would be if you go to shoot and they cover fire when you run for cover, (like how you would almost knock someone, so you go to push them when they run behind cover, only for the other two enemy teammates to push you right back).

    The difference here is simple to explain, if I were to activate Valkyrie's ult and expect my teammates to stop what they're doing, that's not exactly teamwork. However, what I do and get better results from doing so, is that I ping, "my ultimate is ready", followed by, "lets go here". This tells both my teammates that I plan on using my ultimate. Most of my randoms would start making their way towards me. In the example above about the cover fire, if you expect your teammates to cover you, its not really teamwork, as teamwork would be more them covering you without you having to hope that they do, like that they both saw you were in danager and went to help, rather than putting yourself at risk, and hope they would risk getting killed for you.

  • drevinum9's avatar
    drevinum9
    2 years ago
    @MrGreenWithAGun No they are not, even better in pubs honestly because the new matchmaking is garbage and mostly you get teamed with duo squads that get put into way too high skill level

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