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Seasoned Ace

6 years ago

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Please do not add Solos or Duos

I think the game has been crafted to be played in squads. Some synergies that can be found between legends would be totally lost in Solos. Duos have absolutely no purpose has it keeps being a group b...

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TheRealJayDee1
6 years ago
@Ge0hDude wrote:
Adding solos will literally hurt no one.
The way I see it... yeah, it might. People have pointed out that in order to make solos work in a sensible way Respawn would need to make certain adjustements to the game. Right now we have a situation of some people vocally complaining about a lack of a more steady flow of new content for the game.
Solos would mean adjusting old and new content for the different mode. That'd mean extra work for Respawn, and could result in a) really just more work for the team (and they seem to try to keep a somewhat worker-friendly balance) or b) an overall slowed down output of content in the future, including for the squad-based mode the game is entirely built around atm.

Koochi-Q

6 years ago

@Vdstrk Like others have mentioned and will likely continue to do so (also on this thread), you don’t have to play solo’s if/when it comes out.

Your assumption of ‘not liking social aspect’ is at least wrong in my case. I like playing this with ppl I know who can actually play this game. It’s even fun sometimes seeing how utterly bad some random teammates are due to bad decisionmaking, worthless aim, not thinking at all or a combo of those 3. But the reason most of the ppl wanting solo’s is because they want a solo challenge or just want something different within Apex’ jacket.

Like you mentioned, other BRs have solo modes as well. So it fits in the general BR formula. Yes there needs to be some tweaking for Apex to make it worth, but guess what, that’s what developers are for and that’s how you innovate.

‘Apex does not have to be for everyone’, yea... Respawn is a business and like any business they want as much business as they can get. So they want to cater to as many as they can.

So far I have not seen a flat denial of solo’s or duos which makes me believe they are still thinking/tinkering about the idea.

Just my two cents

Vdstrk

Seasoned Ace

6 years ago

@Koochi-Q
What's innovative about solo? As you acknowledged, every other BR has it.
"yea... Respawn is a business and like any business they want as much business as they can get." so are vegan restaurants, but I hardly believe a meat eater would even think of eating there or go in a vegan restaurant asking for a steak. The point is, the game is a squad based game. Why would you even pick it up if you wanna play solos?

" I like playing this with ppl I know who can actually play this game. It’s even fun sometimes seeing how utterly bad some random teammates are due to bad decisionmaking, worthless aim, not thinking at all or a combo of those 3."

That is quite my point. People think to be so much better than other that instead of trying and help, they sit back watching other mistakes, get worked up and quit just to repeat the same experience over and over. IMO that is an example of poor sportsmanship. If you are so much better than others as you think you are (and perhaps you really are that good no argument), why not coaching couple friends? Also, would it hurt to establish friendships with the goal of succeeding at the game? Solo is a way to avoid all that, which is fine as plenty of other BRs offer that mode.

Why adding Watson, a team based legend, if they wish to take the game to solos? What i mean is, why taking the time to add a new legend, the effort to see how it fits within the rest of the game, to simply have a solo mode which would make that legend as well as others quite useless? What would be the point of a combat medic in a solo?

adidasPowah
6 years ago
This game is lacks of content adding solos/duos whould make this game back on its track solo rankeds would be so good on this game
- Vdstrk
  Seasoned Ace
  6 years ago
  @adidasPowah
  
  Nah, disagree. Squad is perfect for this game. The game is successful. Ranked is gonna be added. No need to make it into yet another PUBG.
  - CTheCheese
    6 years ago
    Okay, so would you rather continue going into games of three and find out that you are now forced into a Duo because one of your teammates actually wanted to Solo? It sounds like you want to force your ideal on others, which will only force what you dislike onto yourself. And before the thought oof punishing these people comes up, you shouldn't punish people who are just trying to play. Solos are good for practice, and seeing as we have no competent training grounds, I do think that not burdening two people who you didn't want to play with anyways is a lot better via Solo than any other suggestion thus far.
Koochi-Q
6 years ago
@Vdstrk I didn't say putting solo's would be innovative. I said with tweaking so that it works, the solo's mode could/would be innovative. Every BR game has the same formula at the fundamental level. 'Be the last one alive'. But the way to approach that is what makes a BR unique. Apex Legends came with a few things that stood out so I'd call that innovation from the others that were released before it. Others have even copied some of the things.
In it's current state solo's wouldn't be viable with the character abilities. So if Respawn can overcome that, Apex will in my eyes have obtained new innovation for a mode within.

'meat eaters vegan restaurant' I knew you'd come with such an argument, and thank you for indulging. Thing is I said 'cater to as much as possible' and not 'cater to as much as possible, while going for another demographic/group'. Apex already has it's foundation and fanbase. Within that fanbase are already vegans (using your analogy) who wanna try something new on the menu. Not only eat the base vegan menu, but something different, that's still veganistic. They don't have to go to another restaurant (other BR) to try something out, because they already like this restaurant (Apex).

Lolz I partly agree and partly disagree with that sportmanship, but ppl don't want hundreds of hours dealing with bad teammates or bad games. Sometimes they just wanna play by their lonesome. This has nothing to do with ego or skills. Like in real life, you don't always wanna be with your friends. Sometimes you just wanna be left alone.
If you don't want to make new friends, why should a game 'force' you into that. I've gotten so many friend requests from ppl, yet I don't want them (no ego talking, I just don't willy nilly add everyone) all because I played a good game.

So many characters are team based legends, that's why I said in opening statement that they need to rework legends for solo's to work. Maybe it wouldn't be Apex anymore, maybe it still will be. The only way to be sure is to actually test it.
- Vdstrk
  Seasoned Ace
  6 years ago
  @Koochi-Q
  "hing is I said 'cater to as much as possible' and not 'cater to as much as possible, while going for another demographic/group'. Apex already has it's foundation and fanbase"
  Exactly, which is team oriented. No solos, no Duos. Teams.
  So the demographic is already in place and as you say, extending it to Solos is catering to another demographic. Which is exactly as trying to get a steak in a vegan restaurant.
  "but ppl don't want hundreds of hours dealing with bad teammates"
  That is the point, isn't it? To be able to find the right team mates, you have to put in effort. Some people are just not socially equipped for that. It is not their fault, and it is not a bad thing necessarily. It is a different take. They are better suited to play games that offer that feature. Nevertheless, those people's characteristics are exactly what makes them bad team mates despite having good skills. The issue is, they think to be the only ones who understand the game, and relentlessly walk from a defeat to a defeat by banging their heads against the same issue. The game does not have to change for a small portion of people. There is nothing wrong with playing another game, and there is nothing wrong with not having solos in Apex.
  Why do you bother posting here when there are plenty of other threads where you can just get like minded people to talk to?
  I am not gonna change my mind. I believe that going Solos is a mistake.
  - Koochi-Q
    6 years ago
    @Vdstrk Nope, not going for team oriented. The game's a BR, the style is team oriented. Just like a place of food can be a restaurant, diner, restaurant-bar etc and the style can be anything. Extending it to solos is just adding new styles or one can even say adding a new section. And by the way, you do know there's a vegan steak that actually tastes like steak don't you?
    
    If your point of playing a game hundreds of hours, well then power to you. I'm not so masochistic that I wanna torment myself with bad games forever. 'nevertheless, those people\s characteristics are exactly what makes them bad team mates despite having good skills', wow just wow. You have a very narrow and conceited look if I may say so. I don't really wanna play with randoms, even less with bad ones, despite that I'm the most contributing in both damage as well as teamsupport and get recognized for it. How does that fit into 'bad team mate' section?
    
    That's right, there's nothing wrong with not having solos in Apex, but recognize that there's a demand for it and this'll stay that way.
    
    I thought we were having some fun banter. Obviously your skewed way of thinking thought something else. I didn't want to change your mind. I just gave my opinion why a solos would be a good addition. Let's return that answer back to you. Why did you make a thread about solos if you didn't want ppl to voice their opinion? You wanted to hear the happy yes-people say: You're right! This game doesn't need solos. There's other threads where people already said the same, maybe you should go there?
Darker_Souls343
6 years ago
@VdstrkForreal? If you personally don't want to play solos or duos that's cool dude, but what about rest of community? People enjoy putting solo skill on line. Also ONLY playing w 1 other teammate, and not have a toxic\GREEDY\leave after death or down\non-supportive teammate\idiots\RONDO'S on thier team.
What if your team cant be online Alot or when you and the other 2 teamates aren't online cause they just can't sometimes. Solo queueing this 3 team mode mostly gives you cancer\unhelpful\Greedy\new player teammate's.
The rank mode is coming so they should add solo and duos, just don't play those modes if you like the 3 team mode. But don't post this when your not thinking about whole apex community and lowering chances of the modes being added from feedback, Along with the enjoyment of the game that most want n hope to be added.
- EA_David
  Community Admin
  6 years ago
  Hi guys, we needed to remove some posts that derailed, and I want to remind you to be civil, and avoid rude or derailing comments.
  
  Strong opinions on squad size are great, but please try to keep things constructive.
  
  Thank you.
  - CTheCheese
    6 years ago
    @EA_David I'm kind of upset that I spent the time to actually write out my reasons and the other issues that I am aware of. I agree that things got heated, but deleting an entire post of good content? That's a little harsh. Thank you for what you do though.
- Vdstrk
  Seasoned Ace
  6 years ago
  @Darker_Souls343
  It isn't as much as being against solos or duos as it is about priorities. I believe there are other aspects of the game to address as of now that need attention. In essence, devs need to have the time to do that.
  Consider also that a ranked mode is being added. Ranked is going to split the player base a bit. This means that those playing ranked will be first separated from casual, and within the ranked system split into different brackets. If other 2 modes need be added -namely Solos and Duos- they have to be added to Ranked as well. This will further divide the player-base.
  Then there are technical issues that "we" (non Devs) can mostly speculate about. However, some are easily spotted. One could be the amount of loot currently present on the map. It is tailored for teams of 3. Would it be too much for a solo or duo mode? How too much for Duos? How too much for Solos?
  In the technical issues there are other aspects "we" may not imagine, but what about character synergies. It is not as simple as "turning off ults, and passives". There are balancing aspects to that that may very much interfere with the enjoyment of the game, introduce bugs that will further hinder it, and maybe even break the game. I would rather have a working team based game, than a hodgepodge of broken game modes just because few people asked for.
  Given the information "we" have now, a small(er) team of Devs, an unexpected success launch of the game, and the pace at which patches and additions are release it seems quite unrealistic that such changes be added now, or in the very near future.
  
  I see your concerns about your team, etc. To me they seem mostly personal obstacles, and something that Devs or the game mode should not be responsible for. There are simple answers to that, but were I to provide them to you, we would end up taking a stance, and eventually end up fighting over tangential issues that have nothing to do with the discussion of why --IMO-- Solos and Duos are not a priority as of now.
  - Darker_Souls343
    6 years ago
    @Vdstrk Ok yes I agree with you on that with priority's the solo and duos can wait till the Charater and weapons get fixed that we all know needs changed is delt with, I'm fine with that...but if they are gonna add Ranked then having teamate that hinder your ranking\leveling cause you need them or need to save them or whatever you know? And with solos specific the solo match's for ranking I personally feel needs added only cause of rank system being added.
    
    Regards to the amount of loot maybe we can change the rare\level spawn points so you find more common instead of rare for smaller or solo team based modes only, or just lower the amount of loot spawned, without creating bugs or stressing out the Dev's to much, but still agree that this can wait till others issues are fix but eventually they must be added sometime within S2...also my message I 100% wasn't trying to rude or anything lol just getting the detail in there xD much love and light to everyone hope no one saw it as rude.