Rank rework season 13 critic
Many good things with the brand new rank system coming for season 13: no kill cap good, team kp good, more points to grind in each tier good, higher master rp points at 15 k good, rank demotion ok. ...
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@Balladalidila Yep we agree on most everything. Since there is 200 more points per tier it means demotion 300 or 400 points lower even if you lost only 30 points in reality. Yet another rage filled experience.
Like you explain it will have to be very strategic hence why bad for solo q ers... you don't have an IGL in solo q because each player thinks he is the best and don't want to pay for a random teammate decision.
The 1 point per kill until top 14 is very bad.. I mean even in the most competitive of all competitive games (ALGS) they award as many points for a kill be it top 16 or top 2. In ALGS every kill has the same value in points. So this means they force us to rat like crazy... but sorry I won't do that this is the most boring part of BR.
Like you explain it will have to be very strategic hence why bad for solo q ers... you don't have an IGL in solo q because each player thinks he is the best and don't want to pay for a random teammate decision.
The 1 point per kill until top 14 is very bad.. I mean even in the most competitive of all competitive games (ALGS) they award as many points for a kill be it top 16 or top 2. In ALGS every kill has the same value in points. So this means they force us to rat like crazy... but sorry I won't do that this is the most boring part of BR.
Hrm I think the demotion isnt that bad and I actually think its pretty standard to have such system. At least it was like this in LoL. Maybe you can think about it this way: If you re in, lets say, Gold4, HOPEFULLY, the new ranked system will have a such narrow SBMM that the majority of players actual skill in your lobbies is around precisely "average" Gold4 skill, give or take... So if you hit 0 RP at Gold4 and then fail to gain a single RPs three matches at a row at this rank, then this tells that your actual skill probably isnt corresponding that well to your current rank of Gold4. So it would actually be in your own interest to be demoted halfway down in silver1.
In a "real" game with a good ranked mode, the rank is about playing at a ELO where you belong skill wise and if you improve skill wise, you will slowly advance to the next ELO range. But likewise; if you dont improve you will remain there and ofc if you actually becomes worse, you will slowly be demoted from that ELO towards new, lower elo that fits your skill better. I think the purpose of this ranked system is to try to make Apex ranked like this so I think we must try to "forget" how ranked in Apex has been since the release. Ranked mode NOW has pretty much been about grinding to the rank where you get hardstuck and then quit play ranked or start playing on your smurf in waiting for the soft reset where you can start over the same process. THis is bad IMO.
But yeah, I am also a bit worried that ranked mode will just be a huge "avoid fights at all costs" until the circles are so small that people are forced to fight....
@Balladalidila @Palette24carats
I welcome the ranked changes however I think that there may be a lot of misconceptions on how demotion will work and I see it this way (from a previous post in the general conversation area).
I think the demotion protection removal is a bit misunderstood at the moment.
So lets say I make Plat 4 have used up my 3 protected matches and continue to lose RP and get demoted to the lower rank that would then put me at 50% marker in Gold 1. we are all agreed on this point.
So lets just say you are at that 50% gold 1 point and continue to have bad games and continue to lose RP then you will drop tiers with in gold 2-3-4 and if you then lose enough to drop to Silver then you will get dropped to 50% Silver one mark etc etc. so yes I believe you can in fact keep getting dropped if you keep having bad games.
Like I said before the point is to play as a team.
Think of the new Ranked system as a Pubs ALGS because that is what the new system is gearing towards.
We will see this coming Tuesday.
I do think it will make it harder for the non team players solo q players that can play with other Randoms that play as a team will be OK.
This will also as you said more than likely balance out the ranks better and a lot of those solo Q hard stuck D4's are going to find out that they are at best Plat players.
- @Balladalidila That is exactly the problem... there is no way to stop less skilled players from going up in a BR rank system BUT by rewarding kills more than placement. Then when they get higher in the ladder they have to start playing safer to stay positive.
This system will prevent 95% of us from going up the ranks because there is no one who wants to start up a game to rat it out as a team and still be negative in the 4th ring OR do a squad wipe get 3 points and get 3rd partied and end up -35. If you did a squad wipe then you belong to that rank but the new rank system will punish you and get you lower in the ranks... with the silver and bronze players where all players will flock while only a few very dominant players will reign on top and laugh at us because we can't do 10 kills in a game.
I don't care about other game's rank system since this apex rank system was really fun you could grind and get better and only good players could get to master or good teams.
Other games did not have the success Apex had and now seems like it's gonna be worst than a boring ALGS tournament game for every rank game because in ALGS they don't lose points... they make points. We are gonna have the most rage filled experience losing points.
Example: you do a squad wipe in Bronze 4 because the team close to you decides to attack you because they don't want to wait 15 minutes to fight, you get 1 kill 2 assists. Another team hears this and comes for the 3rd party kills you when you are at the weakest; you are at minus 13 points. How many of those games do you want? Or do you want to wait 15 minutes to fight in each game and still risk being killed in your rotation being negative again? I don't.
@Palette24carats wrote:
@BalladalidilaThat is exactly the problem... there is no way to stop less skilled players from going up in a BR rank system BUT by rewarding kills more than placement.
You are absolutely right about that in the current matchmaking system, with its wide SBMM with no real correlation skill and ranked (at least not below D3) and way to generous RP handouts compared to RP entry cost.. But hopefully, the new system changes that. But we will have to see about that. It might be a big failure but all I say is that I am willing to give this new system a change because it looks like an intresting approach in theory and the current ranked system is obviously broken. In no serious competitive PvP should you be able to climb the ranks way above your actual skill level just by grinding.
But if the new system is more fun play is a totally different question =)- @Balladalidila I don't like 2 of the changes in this new rank system but if I am right they will have no choice but to change those and adjust the new rank system which then will be a better rank system than right now.
So I'm watching I know someday it will be better than this maybe season 14 or before if people don't even play rank much.
LOL... because of its degradation mechanism, I have uninstall LOL for a long time, because every time I meet noob teammates, it will make me very angry. I can only stop this negative emotion by not playing it. What's the feeling of being mixed up by your teammates every time you qualify? You can never reach the next level. I don't want apex be the next lol to uninstall. To be honest, I had a good time with my friends in the previous season, but when I put my heart into it, why deprive us of the right to fully enjoy the game?why respawn!?why?
So to get this right, the new ranked system:
- makes smurfing easier
- neglects kills early game
- promotes early game ratting
- greatly increases play time whilst greatly decreasing RP
- punishes solo q really hard
The amount of people playing ranked will probably plummet really hard, thanks to the genius who designed this system.
So to get this right, the new ranked system:
- makes smurfing easier
- neglects kills early game
- promotes early game ratting
- greatly increases play time whilst greatly decreasing RP
- punishes solo q really hard
The amount of people playing ranked will probably plummet really hard, thanks to the genius who designed this system.
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Very well summarized, I mean as soon as I hit Gold 4 I will have no choice but to hop on a smurf so to not risk demotion because
1 solo random player feels going a different way or gets downed too quick or pushes a little too quick. These will never change... except maybe in the higher lobbys.
I am Silver 1 and 95% of the time my randoms are Rookie, Bronze 4 or bronze 2... how am I suppose to think the system works by keeping careless players out of my rank? They are rookie and bronze 4 d amn
- @Balladalidila I disagree, I'm in gold 4 now almost g3 and I went 5, FIVE, games in a row solo q'ing with teammates BOTH in either low silver or bronze!!! Always low levels under 300. Lost max KP 5 games in a row against premade Pred 20bomb/4k teams.
If they want all the changes as they are don't allow cross-tier matchmaking. Low level players without experience matchmaking to higher tier players with the new ranked entry costs, BS no worth KP and demotions is very bad for ranked experience.
BTW, pubs is a nightmare now. 90% of every lobby is the current masters/preds not risking their ranked points.Over 2 weeks now and we still got rank smurfs that were Master playing full stack against solo q bronze 4 players???
I bet so.
- @Palette24carats Maybe we don't matter , maybe only pros matter.
Dont know what comment or part of comment you disagree with since it was a while ago I wrote on this thread.. But after have played one account totally solo queue from Bronze4 to Gold1, and one account with premades currently in high platinum, I must agree that I dont like the wide range of cross-tier matchmaking. Seems to me that the matchmaking create lobbies that spans about three tiers, like Rookie to Silver lobbies, Bronze to Gold lobbies, Silver to to Platinum lobbies, and Platinum to master Lobbies etc.
I thought the whole idea with this matchmaking system was to make it "harder" to gain RPs and rank up but also tighten the SBMM for each lobby... But this doesnt seem to be the case hrmm.But anyhow; all in all, I think the new ranked system is better from a competitive stand point compared to the old. I think the only people who hate it are people who for instance THINK they are "diamond" players only because they reached Diamond4 in the old system, even though their actual skill is more on level with average Gold lobbies. I think we all just must forget what rank we use to be and embrace the new system since the old system was too east to climb regardless of skill. So if you for example were a hardstuck D4 before, perhaps your new rank is somewhere between Gold2 and Plat3 now etc
- @Balladalidila Was the comment about rank demotion and if you're getting no points multiple matches that you should be in lower tier. Don't get me wrong, I like the demotion aspect - I think it's necessary. However, KP should be rewarded regardless of current match placement. It's a battle Royale, not hide and seek. If we went with this logic of placement over performance than I think only 1st place should get points, period.
With the entry costs being so massive this season, KP return should be just as rewarding as placement points.
The problem I have, as a solo q'er, is that I am constantly stuck with teams far below my skill level and even rank level that loss of points is certain. That's not fair to me.
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