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SelfNonSelf's avatar
4 years ago

Ranked Arena discourages play leading to a player decline vicious circle

Ranked Arena, as it is now, is in an inevitable circle of decline. I say that as someone who has been grinding the mode and as such have a lot of experience with the updated ranked system for Arenas. It's disingenuous to label the Arena system as Ranked when matchmaking is not based on skill, or even your hidden MMR, but instead on queue time. The hidden MMR seems to only be a determinant of AP gain or loss, whilst the opponents you face are drawn from the pool of players available RIGHT NOW. In the ranked BR players are matched according to skill, Platinum vs Platinum, Diamond Vs Diamond, with ranks displayed. This rank is concealed in ranked Arena because of the way matchmaking is set up. Rather than have players wait for any sensible length of time to play against equally "ranked" opposition, the system seems to pull from whoever is closest in waiting time.

This is most obviously seen when you find yourself matched against the same players again and again, and even more painfully obvious when those players turn out to be Arena Predators. Hiding ranks is ineffective when people actually stream and ranks can be verified. It becomes painfully obvious that matchmaking is ...problematic. And what happens is that people who play at off peak times, solo or even just because the system doesn't really care, well, those people lose and their personal MMR dictates that they should no longer gain points of any real value. And let's be clear, the MMR is determined unfairly (or perhaps let's just say that it's not skill based) because matches are being played that are one sided from the off...there is no kind of protection from people who clearly belong way above you in Arena ranking and if you lose (which you will because you shouldn't be having these face offs in the first place) you are deemed worse, instead of playing at your level. (Forgive another analogy but a green belt in judo shouldn't ever be expected to beat a black belt, and it's not a negative mark against them if they lose, but if they lose against another green belt then it's a much better indicator of ability)

I know making a complex ranking and matchmaking system is difficult, especially in the less popular mode, but right now if players are losing incentive to play a mode (diminishing AP returns in whatever part due to poor skill based matchmaking) they become disgruntled and disincentivised. People should absolutely be penalised for losing, but they system now is deliberately opaque, hiding ranks and pitching all ranks against each other. It almost feels like a roulette who you'll be facing next in terms of skill and that's not fun. And that means fewer people will find the mode appealing, making the matchmaking struggle harder to equate skill levels which in turn makes the mode less rewarding and less of a ranking mode.

Please, if you want to keep the mode working, do something quickly before the only people left playing are the very best of the best who are at that top skill level. Right now it's really not working for anyone (the Pred team that I had to play against quickly realised the inequality of matchup and started only using Mozambiques to fight us) and unlike in the BR, where you always feel that you can claw your RP back with a win, in the arena, once you have lost a few unfair matchups there doesn't feel like any real way back...and if that's the case why even play?

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  • SelfNonSelf's avatar
    SelfNonSelf
    4 years ago

    Daily request to fix Ranked Arena matchmaking and AP loss/reward structure....it's so crazily broken right now.

  • Yeah man I don't think this season's weapon meta is bad, but it has been prior. I remember last season's 3 stack L-STAR teams like no other lol. 

    The matchmaking issues are no joke though. Zero point to calling it "ranked" if you're going to match against everyone just for fun anyways. On top of that, they hide everyone's rank as if I can't tell when a top tier player is double tap strafing on me with a wingman/mastiff. 

  • SelfNonSelf's avatar
    SelfNonSelf
    4 years ago

    Dear Respawn Dev in charge of Ranked Arena's,

    When i get put against players with Master badges of course I'm going to check twitch....and find that I'm playing against Arena Masters. If makes no sense to fine me any points when i inevitably lose against them if i am not yet Master or even Diamond.....It's a stupid system to penalise a team for being worse than a higher ranked team, and then when an equally ranked team is overcome rewarding me with 14 points because my MMR is messed up because i lost games that i was SUPPOSED TO LOSE...whoever thought that it was fair, engaging or even a reflection of skill needs to think about how it works in practice.

  • SelfNonSelf's avatar
    SelfNonSelf
    4 years ago

    Just lost against a guy with a 46 Arena wins in a row badge Pathfinder with 46k kills...-22AP...yep, seems fair...my highest is 10, so not shabby, but he's better then me by four and a half times and yet still i get punished but would get +14 for a win. Someone explain this system?

  • SelfNonSelf's avatar
    SelfNonSelf
    4 years ago

    Matchmaking even worse now that the sweats abuse Rampage glitches to cheat their way to victory

  • SelfNonSelf's avatar
    SelfNonSelf
    4 years ago

    And honestly, separate inputs in Arena. Controller Aim Assist is not fair, PC or Console....At close range with no looting there's no way that Mouse and Keyboard can compete on a level playing field. It makes bad matchmaking even worse.

  • SelfNonSelf's avatar
    SelfNonSelf
    4 years ago

    And the cheaters are back again...which is frustrating as the report button is totally ineffective and Respawn appear to only care about the NA side of the game.

  • RedAries's avatar
    RedAries
    4 years ago
    Btw, I won 8 out of 10 system placed in Gold 2 on PC. Then I climbed to Plat and stopped... Sadly didn't have time to play...

    Regarding smurfs. I had no problem fighting smurfs but when you get a 3 stack smurf team and you get literally bots as teammates. Teammates that don't care about rank points or anything. Just playing because there is an option to play. It feels bad man! I won a lot of 1v3s but it gets to the point that I just don't want to carry anymore. I'm fighting for my own rank man!

    But in the last season, Idk what the hell is happening. I was fighting Preds before in s10 and I won a Ton of matches against them. They're just players. But now, smurfs, beaming you from everywhere. I just can't. I dunno, are they hacking or something because a lot of times I don't think they're legit. Or I got much worse overnight!

  • YourWatson's avatar
    YourWatson
    Seasoned Vanguard
    4 years ago

    mmr doesnt seem to work aswell. Doesnt matter how many wins in the row RP reward keeps droping. To the point were you have to win 3 in a row to break even with a loss...

    As example enter IV division with +90 per win the maybe raise it to +100 per win then division change and its +70 per win. Lose 3 in a row when 2v3 or smth and boom its -24 per loss.,....

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