@General-NOH wrote:Having such a high ttk almost removes the need to have a good reaction time, takes away a lot from tactical advantages like position and element of surprise etc. People have too much time to react.
???
Did you just say you are not good? Cause if you got the drop on them and they can react and still kill you is a you problem not a TTK problem.
You all seem to forget that the TTK works in both ways.
Sorry but you're way off.
Was watching my son play yesterday and multiple times got the drop on people (behind them) with and SMG (supposed to be a cqc shredder right?). Unloaded a whole clip...hitting every shot only to have to reload while the person turned around to shotgun him.
SMG is not a precision weapon it's a spray weapon and within its optimal range should not take more than a clip.
He's a 16 yo avid Fortnite and Destiny player and aim is not an issue.
Either TTK is too high or certain weapons need a major buff to actually work as intended. Otherwise you end up with another BR game where shotguns are the only viable cqc weapons and that would be sad for this game.
I may not have 20 yo thumbs anymore but taking more than a clip with most weapons will not serve this game well. People need to look at the bigger picture.
When the novelty of the game wears off and people can't make the 'big plays' the numbers and social popularity will suffer.
@LoganX1 wrote:Sorry but you're way off.
Was watching my son play yesterday and multiple times got the drop on people (behind them) with and SMG (supposed to be a cqc shredder right?). Unloaded a whole clip...hitting every shot only to have to reload while the person turned around to shotgun him.
SMG is not a precision weapon it's a spray weapon and within its optimal range should not take more than a clip.
He's a 16 yo avid Fortnite and Destiny player and aim is not an issue.
Either TTK is too high or certain weapons need a major buff to actually work as intended. Otherwise you end up with another BR game where shotguns are the only viable cqc weapons and that would be sad for this game.
I may not have 20 yo thumbs anymore but taking more than a clip with most weapons will not serve this game well. People need to look at the bigger picture.
When the novelty of the game wears off and people can't make the 'big plays' the numbers and social popularity will suffer.
That is your opinion... This isnt your standard game that has been the norm for these past few years (thank god).
Learn to accept that TTK is fine. Its like RTCW:ET the good old days where you cant 1shot all the things like COD, CS,...
Also you say SMG is a precision weapon bla bla... Maybe in this game its something else, whats next? crying that if someone jumps of a cliff they dont take fall dmg...
Its a new game different from other Battle Royal games. Let me say that again DIFFERENT as in not the same.
Stop trying to make this a Fortnite -building or a PUBG in an other style...
It's Apex Legends deal with it and stop crying and adept.
Lol ok kid.
Your method of debating is trash and elitist.
We'll see what happens in a few months.
I'll be back to poke fun at you.
Not trying to make this a Fortnite. That game has trash gunplay and its focus is the stupid building.
But...in order for this game to compete and actually maintain its player base it needs to have a better ttk.
Dude, why can't you accept that there is NOTHING wrong with this TTK in this game....
Not all games have to be like COD or CS where 2-4 hits = kill...
Why do you think that your opinion is better then all the FPS streamers...
Not 1 FPS stream says TTK is bad...
Only you and this army of players that stand still to aim, prolly hipfire 90% of the time cry about TTK.
It's sad...
Dude,
Why can't you accept that it's not (See I can do that too)
Your argument if just full of assumptions.
I don't want CoD, I don't want Fortnight, I don't want Battlefield, I don't want Destiny,
What I'd like to see is weapons that work. Getting the drop on someone with an SMG, and landing all your shots, should not allow the other person to do a 90 degree turn an 1 shot you (didn't you say you didn't want CoD?)
I'm all for allowing players to react and have a change as outmaneuvering or even out shooting someone. But when AIM isn't the problem then it's either the weapon or the TTK.
Streamers can suck it. They all have an agenda and it's to get views so their opinion on what gameplay is for the average player means jack sh!t. No developer should cater to streamers. They literally make money off of playing the game so their opinions are immediately bias.
@Joewlsi wrote:Only you and this army of players that stand still to aim, prolly hipfire 90% of the time cry about TTK.
This is the kind of asinine elitist response that I expect from the Destiny forums.
And if it's "an Army" then maybe there's a point to be made. Becayse if that Army leaves what happens to the player pool? On no the game won't be better without them.
This whole statement is just a back-handed insult because you really have nothing else to contribute. "Probably hipfire" Really? That what you're trying to debate with? Come back with something real and maybe we'll continue this.
If this many people are already complaining about it it's not about Aim son. It's a tangible problem to people. This is a 'you' problem for not being able to accept that.
This exactly.... every game this this this.... TTK is worse than black out on release, every game i get the drop on people, i shoot first, i hit first yet i die first. What happens is i shoot, i hit a few bullets (because half of the bullets don't register due to crap servers), they then jump 20ft in the air, then teleport to the side then im dead in a split second.
This game has soo many issues right now, 30hz servers, what seems like fire rate is tied to fps (feels like but unable to confirm so good chance im wrong), armour is far too op...., magazine size too small, weapon balancing issues, janky movement, getting stuck on stupid obstacles ankle high etc.
Once its all fix it will be a much better experience as right now its frustrating, getting to the last 2 teams, my 2 team mates get downed and its a 1 v 2/3 and i'm supposed to some how kill them both with what feels like a bb gun with a tiny magazine.
I just hope they fix it fast before the hype drops off.
@Darkmascot This game is client sided. The network has problem but what you said is straight up wrong.
In this game no matter what happens if you hit the enemy in your side the server will count it as a hit, no matter what.
You are simply missing half of the bullets, it's not a register problem.
Not trying to pick a fight... but just saying THIS one is completely wrong.
You are way over inflating your argument, can you not have it stand on its own merit instead of trying to say other people agree with you? Because other people agree with me and would say you don’t know what the hell you are taking about but I don’t feel the need to try to peacock up what I’m saying like you.
The best way to solve this arguement is in game. If you see me you use your triple take. Meanwhile I’ll be ripping your face off in game with a peacekeeper.
🙂
@KelRiever ...
I'm not saying that people agree with me. I'm saying that your information is wrong. No one needs to agree with me here.
You wanted to compare the triple take with the scout and now you compared the triple take with the peacekeeper. I'm not even going to point how the peacekeeper is broken, that's subjetive, but instead i will bring one simple thing: One is a sniper another is a shotgun. The fact that you used both to confront each other shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Yeah i know its client side, which is an issue in its own right, i watch video play back of me unloading into a player and the ammo going down doesn't match the numbers popping up, its like data is being missed when its sent to the server (i have damage set to floating btw).
It may be completely wrong but could also be possible, just because on my client registers a hit doesn't mean the server receives it.
@TrueDivinorium No it shows you don’t know how to close with an enemy.
But I’ll show you in game and we’ll see whose mad about ttk then. Can’t wait! 🙂
@Darkmascot
Data being missed when it's send to the server i neve experienced but that i give you that might be happening. Well... you can always make a test with a friend and make a video.(Both of you queue at the same time and jump in a random place and test)
But with all due respect. That video talking about the networking for the game now is being used to make all kinda of excuses, like i said it's impossible to be a hit registration issue because it's your computer that registers the hits. But packages being lost in between may be.
PS: Also godamn the number of kids in this forum. First we have a guy that think his opinions are arguments, then someone ran out of arguments; created a new account to insult got caught and acted like it never happened. Now this kid trying to look tough because "he will show me".... It would be funny if it wasn't tragic.
I have to believe you are too scared, all talk and no game, to fall back on ‘kid’ arguements.
You clearly have no ability to take criticism. Everything can be resolved by playing this game, as it should be, but it sounds like you rely on your suppositions and big forum ego instead of actually playing. You are a theory warrior and not much more if you can’t agree to that playing this game is the exact way to prove a point.
"You clearly have no ability to take criticism."
Read the forum again and say who is the one that can't take criticism.
"Everything can be resolved by playing this game"
No.You watched too much no game no live.
I beating you can be twisted to my ping, your lag, game having * connection, i cheated or even that because of that the peacekeeper is a balanced weapon.
I doubt that a defeat will make someone like you agree that you don't know * about the game.
So what's in for me? All i see is that i will lose my time answering a kid that thinks too much and learn to little.
What’s in it for you? Not hiding behind your words, having fun, resolving an arguement with proof and in a way that has some sense of spirit.
But I don’t care, I mean that shouldn’t have to be explained as far as I’m concerned. We can’t custom a 1 on 1 but I’m sure we’ll meet if we’re playing enough at some point.
Hone your Triple Take skills there, you’re gonna need em 🙂
@KelRiever And again you show how little you know.
This game has a huge number of servers, by "playing" enough is very unlikely to met each other without some planning. Because the game normally connects to the closest to you/smallest ping.
I generally play in NY server.
I will say again: Stop giving opinions and start to play and learn about the game.
You’re still talking, and not walking...🙂
Because i use the time that my computer is compiling stuff to read/answer the forum.
That's why you see me be extremely active for a couple of minutes then go hours without answering.
@KelRiever wrote:I have to believe you are too scared, all talk and no game, to fall back on ‘kid’ arguements.
You clearly have no ability to take criticism. Everything can be resolved by playing this game, as it should be, but it sounds like you rely on your suppositions and big forum ego instead of actually playing. You are a theory warrior and not much more if you can’t agree to that playing this game is the exact way to prove a point.
God dang best reply to these Apex elitist trolls I've seen so far.
Everyone who doesn't have the same opinion is a 'kid'.
They don't like what they hear OR are afraid of the devs listening so they insult and misquote you.
This is by far the most toxic forum I've been in in a while.
Makes sense that it's populated by PC PVP players. (And I'm a PC vet)
Then why you act like a kid for god sake.
"i have been gaming for over 25 years" yeah and you have been breathing since you were born. Now go to any kinda of proper physical training and sport and the first thing they will teach you is that the way you breath sucks. Go to a doc and he will likely tell that your posture sucks. Go to a specialist on speech and he will probably tell you the way you speak sucks.
it's not because you have done something for XX years that you are a specialist on it. To learn things you need to study and the fact that the ONLY thing you say is "i have been gaming for 25 years" show that you didn't study much.
PS: Also it's funny how you talk about elitist yet think the fact that your experience, and your experience alone, makes your opinion relevant and worth more than the others'.
Lol. I've seen your kind on forums over the years and it's always the same.
Big posturing until you are proven wrong.
Your opinion of me means jack sh!t because I can see through you fog of BS.
Your problem is you simply can't deal with an opposing opinion and you have a very narrow view of what's good for this game because it suits 'your' playstyle and your afraid of that being taken away from you.
However with your horse blinders on you miss the whole point of people wanting this game to be fun for more than just the elite few.
You also fail to grasp the emensity of this debate and how many people will be affected of something isn't done.
I get that you don't seem to care about those people and that the game is somehow better off without them but you'd be selfish, arrogant, and wrong.
Keep in believing though. It's a typical Millennial attitude you have there and like most Millennials are learning it's not how the real world works.
"You also fail to grasp the emensity of this debate and how many people will be affected of something isn't done."
And you fail to grasp the emensity of this debate and how many people will be affect if something is done.
I will say again: In your opinion lower ttk is better that's fine. But that's your opinion. And only that. No matter how important you think you are. That's why i asked you many times: Bring arguments.
The majority of the forum wants the TTK to stay the way it's. Yet you keep screaming like a child that it should be changed, when asked why the only answer you can give "it's because i want".
What makes things even more strange is you saying things "Your problem is you simply can't deal with an opposing opinion and you have a very narrow view of what's good for this game because it suits 'your' playstyle and your afraid of that being taken away from you."
When you are the one being outnumbered in the forum, what in truth doesn't mean much, and try to say that i'm X and Y.
So i will ask for the last time: WHY you want lower ttk. You say no one wants a COD ttk and 1HKO when someone LITERALLY posted just before you asking exactly for that. Yet you don't bother to say what's "lower" ttk.
And now you come with this millenial *. My dude go study anything baby boomers picked US in a stable economy with a lot of job and low rent. You take the easiest time ever to create anything. Yet you want to talk about millenials. I don't want to make it a generation war but you REALLY show that you haven't studied anything for a long, long time.
PS: and stop that "i have X blablabla" because as i've shown you can live your entire life doing something and still do a * job at it.
Face it: There's people with less age than you that are better than you at most things you ever did or will do in your life, the same is true for me. But different from you i don't brag about doing something when i didn't even bother to learn the very basics about it.
PS2: And if you want to have an argument go study. I would start here: https://www.amazon.com/Rules-Play-Game-Design-Fundamentals/dp/0262240459
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