REMOVE MASTIFF ! OMG !
I swear ! I got killed by a guy level 60 ! plz it's a beginner ! MASTIFF requires no shot ! How to ruin a game with 12 bombs cuz of this noob gun ! get brain when you are doing some updates !
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Will do the same. :D
#1 - ok.
#2 - again its one thing to talk about something on paper and completely different in action. We were talking about that, remember ? If not, aka the no skill challenge for R99. And yeah DPS means nothing.
Kraber doesn`t have big DPS, but i can one shot you right? And your DPS stats go into oblivion. Same stuff with a Mastiff. R99 may have higher DPS, but you need to land every single bullet, miss 1 and the DPS goes down by a lot. Im not only playing this game seriously, but i watch a lot of streamers, mostly ShivFPS, and he is a top 3 kill player in PC, yet in a lot of close fights(lets said SMG distances) he didn`t land 1 mag people. There is a lot of times where he miss half of his shots, even more.
Longbow has 70 DPS, but i can 2 shot you before you even realize where i`m.
Charge Rifle is extremely powerful, yet it has one of the lowest DPS in the game.
Mozambique has big DPS, yet its one of the worst weapons in the game.
Eva8 has higher DPS than a Mastiff and PK, your telling me its a better weapon ? :D Every top player will tell you both Mastiff and PK **** on Eva8.
Re45 has higer DPS than a Wingman, Mastiff, PK, and a Kraber, is that telling us something? :D
#3 - totally disagree. A lot of weapons require skill to be used. Even the Mastiff against good strafers when they hipfire or even with a fast ADS gun, and you need to be good at flicking.
But again everything depend on the situation.
Just a quick tip. One buddy is playing with R99 and always said how good he is, his second is usually a Mastiff. The couldn`t land 30% of his shots with the R99, yet he is saying its require no skill. Most people that talk about this, can`t even land half of their shots, but they still think they are good with it. :D So many people are using it, and just spam left-to right with it, in order to try to hit you. :D
This is a tip, i`m not saying you are bad with it.
#4 - i was talking about something specific i think everyone experience the thing i was mentioning. This is personal experience. You may not think like me and i don`t have a problem with it.
#5 - my whole point about this is, that is very strong in such situation, where you are in a closed room. You are behind an angle/wall/side/door/ and not much room to do anything against it. Its just going to hit you for a lot of damage. Also on the open "caravan", hit and slightly go back, you will do tremendous damage and not get any in exchange. Saying that, i know shotgun should be strong in this situation, because of the lower firerate, so its normal to have advantage in a closed room and situation like that.
#6 - not much to correct you on this. But ADS is not a skill, going in and out fast is not even remotely hard, so it people(i know a lot of them and they are saying Mastiff has low damage, because they still hipfire spam with it) should not act like oh but you have to ADS. You already have great ADS speed with the Mastiff, and you ads for a less than a second any way.
BTW outside of the discussion, some pro prefer to ADS with the PK for most of the time. I`m also used to, so much used to, that i do the same with Eva8(just a habit i guess) and sometimes i miss extremely easy shots that i would hit if was on hipfire. I actually think Eva8 is the easiest to make a miss with it, esp if the target is a Wraith or Lifeline.
#7 - was a fan of Diego and constantly watched him. His word PK is OP even after all the nerfs it gets(that just show you how much Devs don`t know what they are doing), and its extremely strong. Some people were using it as a half-sniper, which was ridiculous. Also Diego own words is that he the easiest way to kill a better player is by shotgun(PK) at the time he was saying this, and that most of his dead is due to this extremely OP weapon. And he was not hating on the weapon, because he was using it like 99% of the time. :D He just said its extremely annoying to go against it with other weapon, and that is extremely strong and a game changer. And ****** on Eva8 big time.
My whole point for 1 million time again is that Mastiff damage needs to be reduced, as well as his pellets range.
My whole point was that shotgun should be a strong secondary weapon, but should not do 60-70 or even 110% damage of your hp. The damage should be at 80, which is a 40% of your total hp if you have a full hp and a purple armor(and no LP), and its a 80% if you got no armor.
ATM in a close drop location, the guy that gets a Mastiff with ease can annihilate a whole team, did the DEVS ever think about this ?
Max Mastiff damage atm is 126. But i constantly can get like 104 or 91(i think).
I`m a wrong ? Maybe, but this is my take on the Mastiff, and i think we are done with it. I just have an opinion about the current TTK and the damage of some weapon.
Just like Diego said, most of the time i`m dying to a Mastiff, and the people that killed me didn`t land even 50 damage with his primary weapon, and thats why i think this weapon is completely over it.
I don`t think you or me are wrong, we have different view on the take. Some people may actually think Mastiff should be able to one shot you ...
But still i think they did exactly nothing with changing PK with the Mastiff. The reason was to change the meta, yet what they do its just a swap two similar strong weapons, nothing more.
@LordloshBang Yeah it seems are main disagreement is that you want it to be a secondary and I want it to be a primary. I'd have no problem capping the Mastiff at 70 or 80 damage as a secondary I just wouldn't carry it. Our other disagreements seem to be based on in game situations and what we feel is easier to use. I respect your viewpoint on this but we obviously want Apex to be very a different game. Still worth talking about though.
It's honestly just sad how games turn out to be. In a match today, fought against 8 people. 5 of them used a Mastiff, including myself. It's not even funny anymore, just straight up sad how far you get with this weapon. But yes, this weapon is completely fine.
All jokes aside, Mastiff needs a serious nerf.
Check this video and see how overpower the masstife is https://twitter.com/i/status/1275260560532258816
14 dmg per shot
- @Peri_Longbow_plz But your fine with 80% of players using the R99 ?
I feel you, but that was kinda 1 in a million situation. You should have killed that guy, you wasted the whole mag, but your aiming was on point, just unlucky i guess. :D But if it was any different legend than a Wraith, you would have kill him in 2-3 shots.
I as a Bangalore, can`t dodge shots like that, not even going to mention the bigger legends.
As i said many times in the past, Wraith get away with a lot of things, cause of her hitbox. :D
xx_Dante2k_xx, so agian the R99 right? :D What your suggestion for R99 nerf is then ?
As far as i remember your main problem was the lasering/beaming from a big distance with it,right ? And as i said before, the main reason for that is that people are running either soft cheaters or no-recoil macros, which is not a R99 problem, but a cheat problem.
I can`t laser people from 100 meter for example, and i have solid tracking and definitely know how to keep the recoil, and R99/R301 is my loadout almost every game.
Still even if they nerf the R99 i would still play it, because i like the look of the weapon and its the main reason i`m using it. If Alternator has the look of the R99, Alternator would be my main weapon. :D
- @LordloshBang Ok, change the look of the R99 to the Alternator then. I bet you wouldn't use it.
My problem is almost 90% of gun fights include the R99. If that is not a problem than I must be deluded. Either remove the barrel mod, introduce another smg, buff the Alternator or put the 99 in a crate. The amount of strafing and damage it can put out is second to none. You can't argue that through raw statistics. We were talking something about DPS few posts above. Read if you miss it. :D
Wingman have superior speed(actually zero penalty) and can kill you with 2-3 shots.
As far as the look, you can`t bet on something you don`t know. I`m using alternator as well. And they already buff it. Its in a good spot. Its range its kinda bad tho, but it should, because its an SMG. Tho Alternator is slower, it has higher damage.
You say 90% of the gun fights are with R99, its the same with Mastiff, 90% of the people have one in the second slot, but you obviously don`t have problem with it. :D
Again no one will put R99 on the CP. The game will lost half of its playerbase for sure.
And lets said they nerf it to the ground or put it to the CP as you would like, Prowler will be the new meta, and Prowler is actually way stronger.
As far as i understand from your previous post(we have a history) was the range problem, but as i said it before, this is because most people are using no-recoil macros/scripts, but R99 is not the problem for that, but the cheaters.
There is people all over the place that are using it for Wingman accuracy, for Hemlock, G7 scout, and all of the AR/SMG for no-recoils.
Most are for Logitech and the way i see a lot of streamers are running all kind of macros, and they are not touched, so this is the main problem.
Ah its a Autohotkey, you can always toggle it on and off.
So when someone specs you, you can turn off your cheats quite easy.
Just write for it on google and there is million videos/forums/sites with all kind of macros/scripts and they swear its undetected, and the way i see Respawn are allowing them this, and its truly undetected.
And id***** like me, spends tons of hours on Kovaaks, Apex Aim trainer(mostly for tracking and recoil), and at the Firing Range, so how we can call that? Fairplay. :D
Still in buffing/nerfing there is no right or wrong posters.
So your suggestion is to either put R99 on the CP or remove the barrel mod ? No damage, speed or further recoil increase?
A potential nerf for R-99 without nerfing it? Quite simple, actually. Prolonged shooting will reduce recoil, but recoil at the start will be insane, regardless of the barrel stabilizer.
But it's about the Mastiff here, not the R-99.
But how will that the help with R99, when most people are running no-recoil macros? :D
This won`t hurt them even a bit.
Just a tip. Havoc is actually hard to control, and for me at least its completely impossible to keep on target in a medium to long distance, esp when i`m not using this gun regularly.Yet there is streamers that pick it, and they perfectly control it(they don`t control a thing, they just run a no-recoil macros).
Example Diegosauer. I`m a fan of him, but that don`t make me blind. On one of his streams he f***** lasered a guy from like a 100meter distances and he didn`t miss a shot with the Havoc at that distance .... This is purely impossible.
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