REMOVE MASTIFF ! OMG !

@gg123xyz 
A perfect example of someone who uses the the mastiff as a crutch, you want balancing towards recoil? get rid of aim assist from controller, especially with crossplay being a thing. Its literal auto aim and ruins gameplay. Being skillful enough to track someone and full magdump people does not need to be nerfed, the Mastiff as a weapon does. Either that or it needs to be in a care package so only one or two can be on the map at a time.

Recorded a death summary of the 10 last games:

Game 1: Mastiff

Game 2: Mastiff

Game 3: Spitfire

Game 4: Mastiff 

Game 5: Volt

Game 6: Spitfire

Game 7: Mastiff

Game 8: Mastiff

Game 9: R301

Game 10: Mastiff

Conclusion: No need to learn how to aim, just run triple mastiff and get up close. Easy dub every time 🙂

Game 11: Mastiff

Game 12: Mastiff

Im calling quits for season 7 now until they get that cancer out of floor loot. 

do you even consider adjusting your play?

if you think mastiff is very good and die to it constantly, MAYBE dont get too close?

the weapon is literally designed to burst you down at close range.

if you cant deal with it: dont let them come close.

soften them up with sniper rifles but do not play R99 + Flatline or something along those lines.

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@Triumphkutter wrote:

do you even consider adjusting your play?

if you think mastiff is very good and die to it constantly, MAYBE dont get too close?

the weapon is literally designed to burst you down at close range.

if you cant deal with it: dont let them come close.

soften them up with sniper rifles but do not play R99 + Flatline or something along those lines.

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Didn`t you read like the 10 previous post mentioning exactly this ? Its annoying to read the same thing over and over again.

Your point doesn`t make sense at all.

Mastiff is broken. Its the weapon that allows you to kill way highly skilled player than you, even tho you are terrible and don`t move at all, you can still kill him, even tho he is done everything he needs to do.

And to not repeat the same stuff again i will just quote myself:

"I will add that, you can`t tell right at the moment, what weapons your opponent haves. So how can i decide where to take the fight, if i don`t know what weapons he have. The time he swap weapons, you can`t do a ...... 

And Mastiff range is ridiculous."

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And lastly on that topic. Yesterday or like 2 days ago, there was 1vs1 Pro/Streamers tournament. Guess what the weapons was, Wingman + Mastiff. Funny part is people that was obviously worst, are trying to spam with the mastiff, and jiggle peeking and hiding. It was so obvious, and at the chat we were talking exactly at this. That the guy is just worst and trying to compensate by using a broken gun. This was everyone opinion, but it was so obvious. I mean some of the guys were straight up shooting with the Mastiff as a first, not even using the Wingman. This tells you the whole story.

@LordloshBang The video you showed does imply that it can be used at range but the player in the video failed each time. Most of his mid range shots hit for 13, 14 or 28 damage wish is unimpressive. The fact that he attempted to use it at that range does imply that it can be done but its inconsistent at best.

This is obvious but you don't have to anticipate what weapon your opponent is using. Stick to the strengths of your weapons and you wont have an issue unless your opponent has a stronger weapon at your chosen range. Combat is more fluid then this so it's an annoying topic to discuss.

Lastly, yeah a lower skilled player used a Mastiff over a Wingman. They'd likely use an alternator over one too since the Wingman is a high skill gun. That says less about how OP the Mastiff may or not be and more about how difficult the Wingman is to use.

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@Zamaha400 wrote:

@LordloshBang The video you showed does imply that it can be used at range but the player in the video failed each time. Most of his mid range shots hit for 13, 14 or 28 damage wish is unimpressive. The fact that he attempted to use it at that range does imply that it can be done but its inconsistent at best.

This is obvious but you don't have to anticipate what weapon your opponent is using. Stick to the strengths of your weapons and you wont have an issue unless your opponent has a stronger weapon at your chosen range. Combat is more fluid then this so it's an annoying topic to discuss.

Lastly, yeah a lower skilled player used a Mastiff over a Wingman. They'd likely use an alternator over one too since the Wingman is a high skill gun. That says less about how OP the Mastiff may or not be and more about how difficult the Wingman is to use.

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I think it was quite obvious Hal was trolling on that video and he was spamming with the Mastiff, without even trying.

I have previously showed a video of Hal and many mores with a very big range, and how Mastiff is shooting for 52 damage.

Here is the image i root especially for you:

https://imgur.com/XB83hb5

In this situation Hal hit 52 damage in a ridiculous range.

Everyone who are not biased and play this game enough, know Mastiff can take you down in a range, that it shouldn`t do even hit you.

And here where it comes the problem. That no skill players, that are hard to aim with a gun, and their recoil kicks and they can`t kill you, while you are running, they just spam with the Mastiff and you are killed in a big distance with a shotgun, while running away. Here where it comes the problem, as you see in the Hal video, he was just spamming with, without even trying. And this happen, because of the big spread of the mastiff. You got like 5cm crosshair, and even my great-grandmother(let her rest in peace) will be able to take them down.

I`m playing Bangalore. I`m a master in escaping tight situation. And 99% of the time when i`m low HP and they are aiming with a R99, Flatline or R301, they can`t kill me, cause i know how to move and make them miss in a distance. In 99% in the same situation, doing the same thing i die to a Mastiff, cause of its wide spread range.

Weaving left-right, doing all the possible stuff, ain`t helping.

As far as the suggestion to stick at distance, this is not how the game works. This ain`t Warzone. Shotgun weapons should be exclusively strong in super close range. They should not be effective at all lets say in a SMG range, and be zero effective in AR range.

Eva8 is like that, its effective exclusively in short range(still way way weaker than Mastiff), and do exactly zero at any different range than close one.

Mastiff needs to be the same. 

And lastly did you even read? It was a pro 1vs1 tournament.

Mastiff is broken, since it was introduced to ground loot. Every pro and decent player knows its super OP. Everyone admits it, just a low tier player don`t want, cause its their tool to play this game semi-effectively.

@Ff3NiXxI want the mastiff put back into care packages, I’m ready to quit the game over the mastiff meta its just not fun anymore every singe team has a mastiff

@FaIIenAngeI777Your kidding right ? 90 % of people use the R99. I've already quit until that gun gets removed

By the time you deal 100 with the Mastif you could deal 200 with the 99 before the mastif re chambers

Kidding what? Mastiff is completely OP. R99 is not even in the conversation. There is like so many better options than it.