Hi!The old ranking system was brought back with improvements. That's a good and bad idea.Some suggestions, the purpose being to bring everyone at their proper placement faster instead of having excessive gaps in ranks, removing the "Platinum IV wall", and preventing top players from having to destroy too many games/players to get back to higher games.Consecutive top 5 streak bonus is great. It rewards placement, finally we're rewarding BR when playing BR. Great. Add the same for consecutive wins, so high-skill people go to higher placement faster instead of going back to ranked against newbies (same RP values on top of Top5 ones).Challenger Bonus never really occurs, due to the MM system (the game matches on highest rank from preamade squads, therefore only lower ranks join higher games), but it's fine.We're still playing a BR, not a TDM. We're not responsible for all other players killing themselves far from us: we're responsible of people we encounter and who gets away.The curve will ALWAYS look like that, and (spoiler) it will bend a little towards DIV on next season.I don't think you wanted to see litterally ~0% people in DIII DII and DI. If so, just remove those ranks and make them unique like Master (sad idea).You forgot to add the number of days left at season start, you should also add the end date on the info tab.RP is not clear at all, despite the claims of S20 announcement:You need to add the info of how much we lose for our next match start.You need to add the global progression, stating how many total points people need, it's not crushing at all, it's useful.Make an info graph for that in the info tab, please.Please increase minimum level to 30 (instead of 20) to enter Ranked. Cheating and smurfing rely on that.You need to bring back progressive cost for each intermediary rank, linearization gives the following; to smooth the fatal output of end season:B IV - 0 RPB III - 3 RPB II - 6 RPB I - 9 RPS IV - 13 RPS III - 17 RPS II - 21 RPS I - 25 RPG IV - 30 RPG III - 35 RPG II - 40 RPG I - 45 RPP IV - 51 RPP III - 57 RPP II - 63 RPP I - 69 RPD IV - 76 RPD III - 83 RPD II - 90 RPD I - 97 RPM+P - 105 RPThen, about placement, replace current points with this linearization:20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13: +0 RP12: +2 RP11: +5 RP10: +10 RP9: +15 RP8: +20 RP7: +25 RP6: +30 RP5: +45 RP4: +60 RP3: +80 RP2: +100 RP1: +150 RPCombat points: change to this:20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 +6 RP12 +8 RP11 +9 RP10 +10 RP9 +11 RP8 +12 RP7 +13 RP6 +14 RP5 +15 RP4 +16 RP3 +17 RP2 +18 RP1 +20 RPNo combat kills limit, no points reduction past 6. 1290 points if you kill a whole complete server for some reason (GL HF on that).Respawn points: +10RP per teammate starting round 3.Full squad wipe: +5RP. Rewards highest games where getting more kills become harder.Participation: change from half to third, rounded up (symbolic for trios).Indicate at start or during a game if loss forgiveness will happen for non complete squads with "fill teammates" on.Indicate which rank a player will have after season split in info tab.Indicate on each major rank points required in main ranked panel, as it was during the first seasons.Bring Predator Rank down to 1000 top players instead of 750. Minor change but symbolic output.Add cosmetics preview like you for pretty much everything else in this game for seasonal ranked rewards. They're never mentioned anywhere.So that instead of this (current mid-season graph):We get this:"My 2 cents"Thanks for reading!

@Doc2FX Oh you meant reSPAWNing, not reviving, yeah no, then in that case, carry on.

@Midnight9746 Yeah, I edited it out! Thanks.

@Doc2FX Looks really nice, except for the "10 points for reviving, per teammate, starting round 3".You would get teams that would get knocked by the ring, and then revived by a teammate over and over again, boosting their points.If you think players won't abuse easy points like this, look back at S17, where placement was heavily rewarded for placing at least top 10. Rats everywhere.

@Midnight9746 Try that in any game, especially ranked, after round 3, you'll tell me how it goes. 🙂Also: could be round 4, but at this point you just trigger a drop ship and you get snapped out in 3 seconds.(Also where do you get all those beacons and res points? ^^)

Also: I don't use the words "rat".There's zero concensus behind that, and having teammates wiped out doesn't mean you should suicide and ruin hopes just cause your kiddy teammates died early.Fighting for every point is not being a rat, it's being a tiger.

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Doc2FX

Seasoned Scout

2 years ago

S20 Ranked system brought nostalgia, but is deprecated and outdated now (HOWTO)

Hi!

The old ranking system was brought back with improvements. That's a good and bad idea.

Some suggestions, the purpose being to bring everyone at their proper placement faster instead of having excessive gaps in ranks, removing the "Platinum IV wall", and preventing top players from having to destroy too many games/players to get back to higher games.

Consecutive top 5 streak bonus is great. It rewards placement, finally we're rewarding BR when playing BR. Great. Add the same for consecutive wins, so high-skill people go to higher placement faster instead of going back to ranked against newbies (same RP values on top of Top5 ones).
Challenger Bonus never really occurs, due to the MM system (the game matches on highest rank from preamade squads, therefore only lower ranks join higher games), but it's fine.
We're still playing a BR, not a TDM. We're not responsible for all other players killing themselves far from us: we're responsible of people we encounter and who gets away.
The curve will ALWAYS look like that, and (spoiler) it will bend a little towards DIV on next season.
I don't think you wanted to see litterally ~0% people in DIII DII and DI. If so, just remove those ranks and make them unique like Master (sad idea).
You forgot to add the number of days left at season start, you should also add the end date on the info tab.
RP is not clear at all, despite the claims of S20 announcement:
- You need to add the info of how much we lose for our next match start.
- You need to add the global progression, stating how many total points people need, it's not crushing at all, it's useful.
  Make an info graph for that in the info tab, please.
Please increase minimum level to 30 (instead of 20) to enter Ranked. Cheating and smurfing rely on that.
You need to bring back progressive cost for each intermediary rank, linearization gives the following; to smooth the fatal output of end season:
- B IV - 0 RP
- B III - 3 RP
- B II - 6 RP
- B I - 9 RP
- S IV - 13 RP
- S III - 17 RP
- S II - 21 RP
- S I - 25 RP
- G IV - 30 RP
- G III - 35 RP
- G II - 40 RP
- G I - 45 RP
- P IV - 51 RP
- P III - 57 RP
- P II - 63 RP
- P I - 69 RP
- D IV - 76 RP
- D III - 83 RP
- D II - 90 RP
- D I - 97 RP
- M+P - 105 RP
Then, about placement, replace current points with this linearization:
- 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13: +0 RP
- 12: +2 RP
- 11: +5 RP
- 10: +10 RP
- 9: +15 RP
- 8: +20 RP
- 7: +25 RP
- 6: +30 RP
- 5: +45 RP
- 4: +60 RP
- 3: +80 RP
- 2: +100 RP
- 1: +150 RP
Combat points: change to this:
- 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 +6 RP
- 12 +8 RP
- 11 +9 RP
- 10 +10 RP
- 9 +11 RP
- 8 +12 RP
- 7 +13 RP
- 6 +14 RP
- 5 +15 RP
- 4 +16 RP
- 3 +17 RP
- 2 +18 RP
- 1 +20 RP
No combat kills limit, no points reduction past 6. 1290 points if you kill a whole complete server for some reason (GL HF on that).
Respawn points: +10RP per teammate starting round 3.
Full squad wipe: +5RP. Rewards highest games where getting more kills become harder.
Participation: change from half to third, rounded up (symbolic for trios).
Indicate at start or during a game if loss forgiveness will happen for non complete squads with "fill teammates" on.
Indicate which rank a player will have after season split in info tab.
Indicate on each major rank points required in main ranked panel, as it was during the first seasons.
Bring Predator Rank down to 1000 top players instead of 750. Minor change but symbolic output.
Add cosmetics preview like you for pretty much everything else in this game for seasonal ranked rewards. They're never mentioned anywhere.

So that instead of this (current mid-season graph):

We get this:

"My 2 cents"

Thanks for reading!

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13 Replies

WTF_Huitzo
2 years ago
@Doc2FX the only reason the player ranked distribution looks like this is because it's pointless to play after platinium cuz you get into full cheater lobbies.
no one is stuck cuz of entry cost.
what we need is another rank between master and predator (grandmaster)
Doc2FX
Seasoned Scout
2 years ago
Well, I don't think you get into cheaters' area that fast.
First, there's an urban legend on cheating, but the game is actually fast and sometimes we just don't believe what we see.
Second, I'd say much more is just about unfair in this game, as you can still script your moves. It the game didn't even allow clients to have moves different than strafing, walking running and jumping, possibly bouncing on walls, that would be enough. But for the moment the game is just a bug exploit fest where you get to bind automatic scripts to your keys, use mousewheels to move instead of having anything practical (which is as relevant as using mouse movements to shoot), and abusing the physics engine, which is kinda inherited from the Source Physics engine of HL².
What I know is that, regardless of the reason why, it just shouldn't be possible to have anyone with no custom profile, no special skin, no rare+ skin, default legend config and a badge of level 35 win in a Gold + lobby. That raises a concern.
Also, the reasons for reporting are so unclear they need a post topic here to explain it again. The most common cheat is wall hack, and you can't see it work if you don't ghost players before, and after that they just stop using it for a few seconds, cause they simply wait for a few seconds to activate it again, and you won't notice it while ghosting.
What just gets frustrating is that progression is not linear. It's bumpy and always creates that wall, which happens at platinum IV.

I wonder actually if Master shouldn't have a IV III II I rank as well, with the system I build, using the same points.
WTF_Huitzo
2 years ago
@Doc2FX there's so few diamond/master/pred player that you get dragged in pred lobbies as plat2-plat1 so no the cheater fiesta start even in plat this season.