Making long range fights more prominent with a super buffed sniper Meta is a horrible mistake in a movement oriented game. Every game is so dull and boring when you get shot from 5 directions by 5 teams camping 500 yards away doing insane damage now with the Vantages Sniper plus Skullpiercer rounds.You try to engage a team and get pooped on from every direction with nothing you can do. The only option is to fight one team and die or sit and snipe the whole game which is not Apex Legends and hurts pubs.

I don't understand how people can just talk about how sniping has been there since day one to act as if we are exaggerating.I have been playing since Season 0. Many of the people I have met in Apex have stopped because of what the game has become. Of course, you're in a wrong spot if you're getting shot from distance by 5 different squads. But the whole point is that it never was like that. Back in the days when we would spot a team in the distance shooting in the valley, we'd get closer. Now, my random teammates are just shooting with their Sentinel or godforsaken Charge Rifle from distance. Throughout the seasons we have also seen an increase in legends that simply promote the camping kind of gameplay like Rampart or this new legend. Also Storm Point was released, a map where in many places an R99 is just useless. And then the weapons, throughout the seasons we have seen the release of weapons like the Charge Rifle (...hate this thing), Sentinel, Bocek, Repeater and now the G7 back in ground loot. It's true that sniping has been there since day one. But since these last couple of seasons the community is being pushed into long-distance combat along with camping a lot. Apex in the first few seasons wasn't known for that. It is slowly becoming a different game. I used to tell my friends who were playing Warzone and Battlefield that I don't enjoy those games because I prefer action-packed close combat gameplay. But the only shooter I'm playing is becoming yet another one of those BR's, slowly losing its unique identity.And stop acting like sniper meta isn't a thing, why the hell would so many people complain about it then? I'm not as pessimistic to say that the game is destroyed. It just needs a push back towards where it came from. Give us back a bit of that game we all enjoyed because of its continuous action.

@reconzero I wasn't going to say anything but after about 25 hours into Season 14 and Vantage being added, I will give my take on her and the NEW sniper meta.I will start by saying, I do not believe Vantage is overpowered. However - we all know that sniping is an art. It cannot just be done by anyone. One must have skills, posses skills or have learned skills in order to be a good sniper (in any game.)One must be their own spotter, have a keen eye, scan, recon (actually look and scout for enemies.)A sniper has always been (high skill, high reward) its the trade off for such a hard hitting weapon capable of downing someone in one or two shots....and so it should be, for people who are able, because again....not everyone is capable of being that good with a sniper. Hence the last 13 seasons with just some snipers here and there as opposed to 30 snipers a match present.In my opinion I see Vantage's passive much like Seer's passive although it cannot pinpoint enemies through walls et cetera....so I see it as a, lets say....a line of sight hack, for lack of a better word.Even with mid range to long range sights, a enemy depending on their distance from the sniper is miniscule, especially when the distance is long range away. The sniper still has to constantly scan to see enemies, yes even sometimes when they are out in the open...again depending on the distance. Many snipers lose sight of their enemy, especially when stationary at long range.However, that is not the case with Vantage....all the skills I have mentioned above that have always been needed for any sniper to be good, is lost. Much like Seer, just hit a button and watch the little squares jump to all the players in their screen without having to do anything, as well as the velocity is pretty much marked for you. You can be half blind and still can use a Vantage in the Apex games. Thank you Respawn.You have taken something that used to be high skill, high reward and turned it into - low skill high reward and even - no skill, high reward.I am not a sniper user, ever, at all, terrible with them. I have been using Vantage a bit, when I aim down sight, a little box goes over ppl I had no idea were there, even looking through my sight, I was too far away to even see them. But....up goes a little box and shows me what I am unable to see with my own eye and gee....all I have to do is aim for the center of the square no matter how miniscule the person is and boom...enemy down. Its pathetic...I am without argument one of the worst sniper users you'll ever see - and I was clapping ppl like I was born with one in my hand.Nobody with a high powered sniper rifle should be able to press one button and be given that much info for free without earning the skill to do so. Hence why some ppl are finding for the first time in 13 seasons, are being downed from sniper rifles from every corner of the map, even when they are not able to see far enough away to know where they are being hit from.But at this point, Respawn's decision making on Legend abilities - this did not surprise me at all. Their ability to balance speaks for itself.This is just what I found and feel playing since Season 14 launch.That and for some reason, enemy footsteps are actually worse this season for me anyway....than any previous season.Other than the above and the changes to ring 1....I like new the rest of the changes to the KC and for the most part am having a bit of fun for the first time in awhile.

@Asmodeus566 This season it happens to me if i was to put a range on it 80% of my ranked matches. 20% being 3v3 or even 3v6. It def is not an isolated game. It happens nearly every match just that extra 20% that's how many times I'm able to escape it. So I agree with OP it happens nearly every game. I am not one to comment on these type of posts but I will say I personally in my lobbies see a mass load of snipers.

@reconzero Apex has never been about mid to long range since I've been playing on day 1. It's always been close to mid range with snipers being used here and there. Not sure what game you're playing brother

Im reading "this season is garbage and like every new legend thats launched before is not tuned properly as per EA/Respawn Policy"There is really no point in having shields anymore, every gun is a laser. You literally cant run for cover in a fight.Kings Canyon is still literal garbage. 14 seasons and its still being ripped apart by the pros. That should tell you something.The Heat shield as a hat bug is still prominent, why is this not being fixed? watching Valks fly into the sky wearing a heat shield is ridiculous.Also, Vantage gets a blue square on the target before she even looks directly at them. Just scan the horizon, youll see the teams.another season, another let down by Respawn.

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40 Replies

reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@chiefthunderball

I'm reading "dull and boring" as code for tactics and strategies you have a hard time countering. If that's not what's going on, if you genuinely are bored by medium-to-long-range gameplay, then I'm honestly surprised that you like battle royale at all since sniping is a pretty significant feature of the game. Even before Vantage. Or maybe sniping is a heavier part of some lobbies and less important in others? Don't know. Maybe.
chiefthunderbal
3 years ago
@reconzero Apex has never been about mid to long range since I've been playing on day 1. It's always been close to mid range with snipers being used here and there. Not sure what game you're playing brother
espadakillar69
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
Why is it so hard for you to counter snipers? Find and kill them. Why complain here ?
Asmodeus566
Hero+
3 years ago
@chiefthunderball
As the others have said sniping has been there since day one.
If you are getting sniped at from 5 teams from 5 different directions your positional play is not optimal. Standing still in the open will have that effect.
Try not leaving yourself exposed should fix the problem at least from 4 of the 5 directions.
Jort-Is-Ajacied
New Novice
3 years ago
I don't understand how people can just talk about how sniping has been there since day one to act as if we are exaggerating.
I have been playing since Season 0. Many of the people I have met in Apex have stopped because of what the game has become. Of course, you're in a wrong spot if you're getting shot from distance by 5 different squads. But the whole point is that it never was like that. Back in the days when we would spot a team in the distance shooting in the valley, we'd get closer. Now, my random teammates are just shooting with their Sentinel or godforsaken Charge Rifle from distance. Throughout the seasons we have also seen an increase in legends that simply promote the camping kind of gameplay like Rampart or this new legend. Also Storm Point was released, a map where in many places an R99 is just useless. And then the weapons, throughout the seasons we have seen the release of weapons like the Charge Rifle (...hate this thing), Sentinel, Bocek, Repeater and now the G7 back in ground loot. It's true that sniping has been there since day one. But since these last couple of seasons the community is being pushed into long-distance combat along with camping a lot. Apex in the first few seasons wasn't known for that. It is slowly becoming a different game. I used to tell my friends who were playing Warzone and Battlefield that I don't enjoy those games because I prefer action-packed close combat gameplay. But the only shooter I'm playing is becoming yet another one of those BR's, slowly losing its unique identity.
And stop acting like sniper meta isn't a thing, why the hell would so many people complain about it then? I'm not as pessimistic to say that the game is destroyed. It just needs a push back towards where it came from. Give us back a bit of that game we all enjoyed because of its continuous action.
Ohnlee2Jenders
3 years ago
Im reading "this season is garbage and like every new legend thats launched before is not tuned properly as per EA/Respawn Policy"
There is really no point in having shields anymore, every gun is a laser. You literally cant run for cover in a fight.
Kings Canyon is still literal garbage. 14 seasons and its still being ripped apart by the pros. That should tell you something.
The Heat shield as a hat bug is still prominent, why is this not being fixed? watching Valks fly into the sky wearing a heat shield is ridiculous.
Also, Vantage gets a blue square on the target before she even looks directly at them. Just scan the horizon, youll see the teams.
another season, another let down by Respawn.
chiefthunderbal
3 years ago
@espadakillar69 You clearly do not play the same game I do LMAO. You try to push a team sniping and you're dead before you get half way there or you get focused by 3 other teams mid fight since the engagement took so long to get to due to healing from getting griefed trying to close the gap.
chiefthunderbal
3 years ago
@Jort-Is-Ajacied The only one with a actual experience and a brain so far. Snipers have been in the game since day one but a heavy sniper meta has not been since the last season
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@chiefthunderball

Guess I'm just 13 seasons ahead of the curve.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Jort-Is-Ajacied

I will definitely agree with you in the sense that the developer clearly has tried (and is trying) to push various different behaviors and metas, and I agree that it's annoying. They should just put all the tools in the box and let players decide how best to use them or whether to use them at all. Every time they make a decision to push a particular playstyle, or a particular number of engagements per minute, or a particular meta, they end up screwing 90% of the player base so the other 10% can say, "Finally, this is the way it was always supposed to be." And it isn't. More than any other kind of shooter, Battle Royale is supposed to be all things to all people. The biggest canvas, the most weapons, different legends to accomodate different playstyles. It actually surprises me to see them push a sniper meta since sniping is one form of gameplay they have actively sat on up until now.