Spitfire is not op, you're just toxic
Spitfire is fine. There are many other much more important things to fix in this game. The spitfire was popular and that's the only reason people hate it. Every season the streamers pick a new gun to...
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"Every season the streamers pick a new gun to claim is imbalanced and every season they are wrong. Form your own opinions."
I'm not even watching streamers, or any Apex Legends content in that regard. I prefer to play and experience the game myself rather than watching some overrated people playing the game I can very well play myself. Still it seems like that my opinion is usually similar or the same as what some of these streamers appear to say. Except the Caustic opinion on which I'm still gonna be open and say: His nerf was well deserved.
"This game is not that hard and some of you act like if you're not constantly stomping then it's unfair somehow."
I think it's less the problem that people want to stomp others. It's more so the problem that SBMM doesn't really seem to exist and people get paired with either high-tier professionals or new players. And as it's the per-usual, those people who just want to casually enjoy the game for some unknown reason get paired with the worst people on earth while the opponents are terminator-level predators who seemingly have secret skills unlocked that are not yet implemented into the human brain. That's not just a problem with Apex though. For some reason the enemy team in every game manages things that should usually not be possible.
"There are no other guns that the spitfire makes obsolete. The flatline would be the closest but even then, better movement, better non ADS spread, still 16 damage, reloads faster, better in close combat."
As a balance fanatic in almost every game and following various game development channels and blogs, I can very certainly tell you: Spitfire was broken. To quote something from @Gator762FMJ
"What drove all the Monster-swilling Twitch streamers nuts is that it's a newbie or less-skilled friendly with the extended magazine size and they couldn't have noobs breaking their stomp on pub streams. Sadly the devs seem to listen to them too much."
Yes, in a certain sense it's good to have a weapon that everyone regardless of their skill level can use. This balances out the skill gap in games. The said weapon should not exceed other weapons with a much higher skill ceiling. Yes, a weapon that requires twice the amount of skill should not deal twice the amount of damage. But the Spitfire dealt 171 DPS, paired with a very large magazine size, very decent handling, only very little required upgrades AND a decently fast reload speed in contrast to the advantages proposed above.
The problem in Apex Legends for new players is less so the weapons that are provided, but how difficult the game is. High mobility, weird hitboxes, hard-to-control weapons... When I first started out this game, I ran through my ammo reserves in a single fight because I didn't hit a single bullet. I'm still having the opinion that the aiming in Apex Legends is much different than other games.
"Quit complaining about stuff simply because it's popular to complain about them. You're losing because YOU are bad/out of position/overextending. Not because a gun can shoot."
Okay, good point. We should revert the Bocek nerf. People should just stop complaining. It's clearly not the bow that was overpowered, but the people having a bad positioning.
Point in case and to make a long story short: There is a reason why a lot of people complain about similar things. Most likely because the collective opinion is coming from somewhere valid.
@Death_by_Sloth99 Careful, your toxins are leaking again. Cause the air got quite toxic. Also, I'm a rampart main, thank you very much. I don't even have octane unlocked because I could care less about the mobility meta.
@Peri_Longbow_plzI'm curious what you would suggest be done to the spitfire to make it balanced. It is an LMG, so what can actually be done about it if time firing seems to be the skill gap closure?
Just thought of this, but perhaps all of this is highlighting a different issue. WHY are poorly skilled players being matched up with higher skill? This gap shouldn't be happening.(Anecdotal, but I recently won a fight against a pathfinder with a spitfire. He was fairly low skilled and sprayed like one would probably assume he did. I hid around a door until the shots stopped, popped out and shot him. It's not hard to beat a spitfire unless you're caught out in the open, but at that point it doesn't matter what weapon you're being shot with.)
@PraetorOfOlea Well, I have already proposed my own suggestion for a Caustic improvement in case you're interested: Caustic thread
And as for your question on how to fix the weapon efficiently without making it useless... Well, you don't. Not directly at least. Instead, we should focus on what causes me to NOT use other weapons more often.
Maybe this just applies to me and my friends, but many weapons in Apex Legends often feel inconsistent, unforgiving and unfair. Aside from different (and more powerful) recoil, factors like bullet speed, recoil patterns, bullet-drop and hipfire (in)accuracy make using weapons like the Flatline, R-99, Devotion, Havoc and Volt SMG somewhat tedious to use. R-301 is among one of the weapons I consider somewhat normal. And Spitfire is consistent, the recoil isn't annoying, it's forgiving and very versatile in many situations. I can sometimes hit multiple shots with a spitfire on distances over 100 meters which usually only succeeds on the first shot with other weapons.
I would rather consider making weapons more consistent between each other. Of course weapons like the flatline and R-99 should stay more difficult to use. But I do think it would be a fair game if weapons like Alternator, RE-45, Havoc, Volt SMG, R-301 and even the 30-30 Repeater would take the place of easier to use and more consistent weapons for the less skilled audience. I mean really, what's the deal with the RE-45? So low damage, yet the recoil is worse than the R-301. And Spitfire is still for me the most accurate to use out of all the weapons. Well, aside from snipers.
My suggestion: Leave Spitfire as it is, and adjust the weapons to be more consistent. I don't want to study a weapon's recoil pattern so I can use it efficiently. I also don't want to use knowledge like bullet drop and bullet speed to be more precise with weapons. Spitfire I can handle just fine. No shady recoil, decent on mid ranges, good on close quarters, overall forgiving. The rest? Not so much.
Yes, a little rant on my side, but I'm not the only one who thinks that. I have a whole group of friends who say the same.
- @Peri_Longbow_plz I liked your rant and you have good ideas. I agree that other weapons need to be more consistant. Somehow I’m actually better with the alternator than the R301. I’m even better with the RE45 than the havoc. Consistency across the sandbox is needed. Thank you for your comments.
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