If you want to classify heros on this game as tanks, support and assassins you MUST give tanks more HP, especially considering the hitbox size of the "tanks".
Literally every other game I know of that classifies heros like this gives the tanks more hp
There’s really no difference between additional hp and damage reduction. Both are effectively allowing more damage taken. They’re the same. Additional hp, however, would bring a compensatory effect in that it would at least require more syringes to fully heal, or more time spent healing with a medkit or other full heal item. Or, and perhaps even better, the medkit and other full heal items would take the same time but only heal up to 100 health. Then, such Legends with additional health would require further healing to regain their maximum health. This would be a sufficient trade off for having additional health. Damage reduction is the lesser of the two choices since there would be no trade off for the advantage.
I totally agree, there are two options:
-Fix the hit box diferences between all characters
-Give more HP to the tank characters
At the moment playing as a tank is like to be the first target of every battle, so much disadvantage.
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@Bakki87 wrote:
I totally agree, there are two options:
-Fix the hit box diferences between all characters
-Give more HP to the tank characters
At the moment playing as a tank is like to be the first target of every battle, so much disadvantage.
The team is working on some hitbox changes mentioned from their check-in below:
LEGEND HITBOXES
Thank you to everyone that's been catching and reporting this. After investigating on our end, we were able to confirm that there is an issue regarding hitboxes around Legend arms and upper bodies. This was why you would see a shot appear to connect but not always register damage. We have made some small improvements server side but are still investigating other examples players are sharing and doing tests to repro and address. Please continue to report and share clips if you can.
As far as being being the target of every battle, I can't entirely disagree with you but from personal experience coming across Gibraltar and Caustic in late game situations it can be tough to take down a squad that has one or both of them. We were in a situation last night where there were two squads left and we knew they were in a building. They intentionally baited us into Caustic's traps which gave them the victory. Some Legends might need a little more finesse or change in playstyle, but that doesn't mean the feedback provided here should not be considered.
Legends should be balanced and just as important, fun to play!
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That's the ONE and ONLY situation caustic shines at: camping a building. The moment the ring (or grenade spam) forces him out of his lil nest, he will go down (along with gib) faster than any other character simply because their hitbox is twice (or more, in the case of gib) the size of the smaller characters while having the same speed and hp which is just ridiculous. At least in Overwatch, bigger targets have the hp pool to compensate for their inability to effectively strafe/dodge incoming projectiles. It's even worse when you take into consideration shotguns because, when facing either caustic or Gib at short range, you do not need to be anywhere near as accurate as you need to be to land a shot on wraith or lifeline.
Respawn stated they tweaked the hitbox sizes for Gibraltar, Caustic, and Pathfinder for Season 1. Pathfinder is way better now (maybe too good). Caustic & Gibraltar can't be fixed by tweaking the hitbox sizes unless they redesign the character models (which would be A Okay with me). Respawn also stated that if Gibraltar & Caustic still have issues they plan on giving them damage reduction, or something along those lines, to make up for it.
It's obvious there is a problem with these two characters hitbox sizes. "Play more defensively" meaning: 'hide in a corner' isn't a solution. Maybe damage reduction will help, idk. Maybe increasing the hitbox sizes of the smaller characters would help balance the game as well. Ooooor maybe play testing the original Legends and noticing varied hitbox sizes for different legends was a bad idea from the start and they should've stream lined it more to make balancing easier throughout the life of the game. Personally I don't think Respawn thought to much about it before launch and now they are stuck with some icky foundational issues between their legends. Hence why you see the same 5 legends used in almost every match. Heck, I just watched the Code Red tourny and half the legends aren't even used, because they are obviously worse then the rest. Go figure.
Guess what, picking Caustic is still actively trolling your team so long as he is the only hero that slows and blurs the vision of his own team.
That and the bad hitboxes for the heroes has convinced me, like the guuyabove me said, that I don't think they playtested this game at all lol
No tester would have tried Wraith and Gibraltar and say, "yeah, this is fine"
Ok so i have changed my mind i have been playing gib and i has not gone well i seem to get downed if i so much as peek a corner or god forbid i go in on a kill i just end up in the way or downed for my effort
Remove them from the game and rework them, they're useless legends.. absolutely useless.
@MASTERBAIT3RYeah, all it takes is someone to try and play the characters for a couple matches to realize they are God awful. I prefer defensive/support style classes/styles in games so I naturally gave Gibraltar a go from the start. I moment I realized things were rigged was a couple games in I was on a roof peaking over a chest high wall while crouched in full aim with a sniper rifle and even though I got 2 shots off on the other legend the second the found my position they just wiggled and jumped while full spraying and I was downed almost instantly. I immediately turned off the game after that match and went searching on the web for what the deal was with Gibraltar and then found out about the hitbox discrepancies.
Even a short beta test before launch would have cleared this issue up from the get go. It's almost like they built the game to look pretty, feel & sound good, but they didn't put any time to find out if their game had any glaring flaws they should buff out before release.
Btw, there are a lot of game communities that are filled with 'Win at any cost' individuals who only care about finding out what is broken in the game and using it FTW. These people will purposely despise balance talk while at the same time they abuse every mechanic in the game that is completely unbalanced to their advantage. They will discredit anyone speaking of balance as "git gud" noob whiners (which roughly translates to: 'Stop talking about ruining my OP advantage because that is all I am here for. Free easy wins to feel better about myself') and if left unchecked early on will become the staple for that games community, future development, and general tone for the remainder of that games life span.
Which is why I also suggest Wraith's hitbox needs to be increased. And before any Wraith mains start complaining about how this opinion is rubbish, you and everyone already knows why you use that character. This isn't a conspiracy or whining. Her hitbox is absolutely bogus. Plz fix Respawn.
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