Third Partying
So, this game is loads of fun. I think. But, what is the absolute stupidest thing ever is third partying. What I would really like is once my squad downs 2 or more of another squad, and that squad i...
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@blkarmphoenixI completely and fully understand the points you bring up. Firstly, please use the correct forms of "your" and "you're"... ๐
But, sometimes you have no choice but to get 3rd partied. You could be in a building defending your area, and finish off a squad, without you knowing another squad was waiting behind that rock 20 meters away. Its just inevitable. I also don't agree with "that's just how it is" because it just ruins the fun of the game. I still agree with the facts you have mentioned about it being a predator vs prey scenario. But, what is the harm in giving your player you revived full health? It's not a matter of making it equal, but simply giving your own squad the ability to make a decision afterwards. I have already played many games where I was the one alive, finished off a squad, revived my teammates, and they got dropped by another squad, then quit. Little did they know, we got 4th partied too! And the 3rd party and 4th party started fighting, allowing me and the other guy to leave the area. So, what I want is an ability to make a decision, you cannot run away with 25 health. Every gun in this game can take you out with that little health in < 3 shots total.
The points you press in your third paragraph make sense in very few situations. Other times, you literally have no choice. Not to mention, those points have everything to do with your squadmates. If I start leaving a fight, and my squadmates keep pushing, I'm not going to leave them. This. Is. A. Squad. Based. Game. Period. I think all of you are forgetting that and simply narrowing it down to a "personal" thing. You are supposed to fight and move on as a squad. If a 3rd party enters, there is no hope for your squad, yes, maybe that ONE person who survived can get away. But now its them vs everyone else. It would be better and more support the squad dynamic to have full health on revive, and a much quicker revive time. They already shorten the time frame for when you can pick up a member of your squad, they should shorten the time it takes as well to revive them.
I cannot stress this enough, third partying is way too much in this game. I literally said over my mic "welp, that was fun, love getting 3rd partied" and the other guy was like "welcome to apex". That my friends, is pathetic.
@SolitaryMassacre
Nah. You get what you get. I'm swiping these answers out one handed on my phone. Bit condescending to jump straight into picking apart the grammar of an answer, but I digress.
What happens when you finish you're fight, revive you're team (with full health) and come up on a team who just finished there fight without anyone getting knocked? Suddenly you're team has full health despite objectively having done collectively worse in you're gunfight.
How is that fair?
Nah. You get what you get. I'm swiping these answers out one handed on my phone. Bit condescending to jump straight into picking apart the grammar of an answer, but I digress.
What happens when you finish you're fight, revive you're team (with full health) and come up on a team who just finished there fight without anyone getting knocked? Suddenly you're team has full health despite objectively having done collectively worse in you're gunfight.
How is that fair?
@blkarmphoenixReally? You think getting dropped means you have done collectively worse? In like 1 scenario I can see that being true - both squads have gold armor and fully kitted weapons. This game is NOT about equality as we have stated previously.
Also, who the hell in their right mind would rush a squad with full health? Full health means * all in this game. I NEVER engage with just health, always need shields first.
Also, I think that is a pretty lame counter argument. It take ages to revive your squad. Not to mention get full health and shields. I highly doubt the chances of coming up on another squad with low health is high. Not to mention, I also mentioned somewhere that the time needed for using heal items should be globally reduced. So in your situation, where a squad who is fully healed comes across another squad who just finished a fight and has say low health, if they don't heal right away, then that is their fault. Me having to pick up my team and having another squad come in and wipe us out is lame, boring, and extremely slow paced. I also laugh hysterically at your comment "...objectively having done collectively worse..." that is pathetic. You know damn right its all about loot and not about "how one collectively does".Another point, in the situation you mentioned, that squad has the ability to make a choice, fight or flee. If you have downed teammates, there is no choice. That is all I am asking for with 3rd partying, getting enough health to take a few steps to find cover before immediately getting dropped again.
You bring up decent points, but I can't help but feel like you are someone who does nothing but 3rd parties squad fights.- @SolitaryMassacre
Hey you're entitled to your opinion. I Just disagree. Yes there is an element of loot to be factored in, but frankly in 90% of my personal experience this is only an issue for the first couple minutes after dropping. Once any initial conflicts are over serviceable loadouts can be found within a reasonably close proximity to landing. Obviously a gold shield vs. white is going to heavily favor the better equipped player, but with good positioning, and communication a squad can overcome a blue to purple disparity no problem.
Idk man. I understand your frustration, I just feel it's part of the package. And no. I don't exclusively third party. But I do play to win, and will carefully consider both timing and positioning when picking engagements. Take that for what you will.
@blkarmphoenixWouldn't bother with the guy, you know it's not worth it when someone starts thew whole grammar Nazi stuff. I couldn't imagine being so concerned with someone's grammar on a gaming forum on the internet xD, very pathetic. You made your point very clearly, it's easily read and easily understood. He's the type of guy who only points out the grammar mistakes in the most basic things. I have friends who studied English language/literature, even they aren't arsed about internet grammar.
I can ask one to read over the thread @SolitaryMassacre and give you some schooling yourself if you like? Your comments are hardly perfectly written, they'd probably have a field day with you.
(As they would with me, but I'm not trying to be the ''grammar guy'' here. If you're so well educated on the subject, why stop at just the ''your'' and ''you're''? Or is that all you really know, and thus the only thing you can use to belittle people grammar wise?Edit: I looked at your messages myself and all I can say is: Please use commas correctly. ๐
- @VoKks9 Thanks for the backup lol, but it doesn't bother me.
@SolitaryMassacre I saw a video a while back though I forget who it was. In it they made what I thought was a very good point. The difference between a white body shield and a purple body shield is around 2-4 bullets depending on the weapon. While undoubtedly helpful, the loot you get matter much less than how you decide to make use of it.Lol. Thank you so much for putting me to such high prestige with my grammar. I thank you for that. See, the thing is, I simply had to re-read his post, because I got confused at some parts when the "your" vs "you're" mattered. I thought it was funny, so simply made a mention of using the right "your". Nowhere did I say I was better than them, or anyone for that matter. I love how someone simply makes a statement and someone takes it as one trying to do harm immediately. Sure I may need to use commas more, but I place them when super necessary and may forget at times. I'll keep it in mind. Thank you. Yeah we can go on to using the right "there" vs "they're", but, I don't understand why we cannot just take criticism as a place for growth instead of an attack. Like, loosen up a bit, your stress levels will decrease greatly.
But, back on topic...........
@blkarmphoenix you speak of scenarios that simply do not exist in this game. A white shield vs a purple shield, white shield would have to have a peacekeeper or something similar to tear through that shield, but what if they do too? I actually just played a game where I had white and they had gold (same HP as purple) I had a flatline stock, they had Eva-8 with double tap, and prolly a bolt. He took me out in ~5 shots. All I did was break his shield and do a little health damage before I had to reload. 2-4 bullets, that matters A LOT in this game, and I think you all forget that. Loot is 90% of this game. I have already won a game with white shields, but did ~200 damage cause I wasn't about to go rushing everything. So I would love for you to explain how the loot you get is not as important as how one uses it. I've explained many times how different loot load outs affect the gameplay greatly, and this is only due to the high damage output from a majority of the weapons.
@MoNosDirtyGaming yeah I always try for headshots. My headshot count is ridiculous on PS4 (my main place I play as PC has poop graphics and its hard to see people far away). However, it is funny you mention season 3.. I don't recall this being a problem before in 100% honesty.. It is only now that I am aggravated with it, and I have played since season 1.
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