Unfair matchmaking

Good players prefer the challenge, if think you're "skilled" and pick on easy opponents, then you ain't "skilled".

FYI Latency is a major factor.

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@SirTomek7 wrote:

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@MekaDeth555 wrote:

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@SirTomek7 wrote:

It looks like it yes. But the other day, it looked very different. We almost won against the same around 10-20 lvl guys. I guess its so hard to make a matchmaking system right? No game has ever had a system like that ages ago. Right.

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It was a coincidence and yes in a BR implementing an MMR/ELO would be difficult, because most MM systems in other games are determined by win rate. You win a game your ELO goes up, you lose a game your ELO goes down. So players like me would end up with an ELO of 0 most of the time 😃

There are systems that take more stats like accuracy, KDR etc into account, but they take a very long time to implement.

Even games with an MMR system are rarely on point because the top 1% ranked players don't have many players to go up against, so after a certain time limit the match maker just throws them into a lower skill bracket.

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I see, but do you know what i think? This is just laziness. Even if there would be a system that would gather players by their full kill counts would be better than this nothing.
If you think about it, every kill is one little plus experience. So if you make a smurf account, you will kill a lot of ppl so you will get to higher tier players fast, and not ruining the games too much for beginners. Obviously that wouldnt be perfect, but this state, how it is now, just ruining the fun, beginners cant improve and because of frustration you will uninstall and maybe realise you shouldnt waste your time.
When i was matched with beginners some times, it was so much fun, and i felt i started to improve, experience the weapons, fight, etc. Whats the point if youre not having fun? Go home after a hard working day, i want to have fun, not being frustrated and angry because i dont even have a chance to learn how to play, get killed instantly over and over again instead.

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Matchmaking is difficult to implement. To make the ranking system right, they need to consider various factors:

- Kills: Yes, kill counts is the easiest way to get impressed. But Kill/Death ratio is more accurate factor here. A player with 1000 kills and 5000 dead is not a skilled player. It just shows that player played the game more than others.

- Win: number of wins is another factor. Frequent winner is definitely a skilled player.

- Survival time: Some ppl will argue it's a less important factor. I'd argue it. Out of 20 matches, Player A with 1 win and got 19 games in the 19th squad, is not as good as a player with 0 win, but frequent top 3.

So, in order to rank a player, probably need to base on the combination of these 3 factors.

On top of that, matchmaking requires longer queue time.There is no absolute Matchmaking, we need to balance matchmaking with queue time as well,

Let's say:

- Perfect matchmaking takes minimum 5 mins queue time

- Moderate matchmaking takes 2 mins ( first minute matchmaking those similar skill players, after that, it fills up the rest based on priority)

- No MM takes almost instant to join the game

Most games will go for the 2nd option imo.

It isn't that difficult, <50, 50-150, 150+ done.

The point of matchmaking is keeping the experienced away from the newbies. Matchmaking on somones idea of skill is near pointless, as you'll never get it right.

The best way is experience, atleast you can matchmake with that as quickly as you can now.

There is also latency, it isn't overly hard to point and shoot and it's not out of the league of many players, the YT vid overexagerrates, he's a streamer, he's known, thats it.

Th experience groups can be adjusted. The point is, newbies shouldn't go up against people like that, so what is the easiest method? separating by rank which would equate to experience.

I honestly care little beyond that, i'll go against anyone once i've learned the game and got my own latency issues sorted. At the end of the day experienced players should think about new people for a change and come up with the easiest and quickest solution to improve it, which is what i've stated, it also benefits experienced and veterans alike.

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@d3adc3II wrote:

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@SirTomek7 wrote:

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@MekaDeth555 wrote:

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@SirTomek7 wrote:

It looks like it yes. But the other day, it looked very different. We almost won against the same around 10-20 lvl guys. I guess its so hard to make a matchmaking system right? No game has ever had a system like that ages ago. Right.

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It was a coincidence and yes in a BR implementing an MMR/ELO would be difficult, because most MM systems in other games are determined by win rate. You win a game your ELO goes up, you lose a game your ELO goes down. So players like me would end up with an ELO of 0 most of the time 😃

There are systems that take more stats like accuracy, KDR etc into account, but they take a very long time to implement.

Even games with an MMR system are rarely on point because the top 1% ranked players don't have many players to go up against, so after a certain time limit the match maker just throws them into a lower skill bracket.

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I see, but do you know what i think? This is just laziness. Even if there would be a system that would gather players by their full kill counts would be better than this nothing.
If you think about it, every kill is one little plus experience. So if you make a smurf account, you will kill a lot of ppl so you will get to higher tier players fast, and not ruining the games too much for beginners. Obviously that wouldnt be perfect, but this state, how it is now, just ruining the fun, beginners cant improve and because of frustration you will uninstall and maybe realise you shouldnt waste your time.
When i was matched with beginners some times, it was so much fun, and i felt i started to improve, experience the weapons, fight, etc. Whats the point if youre not having fun? Go home after a hard working day, i want to have fun, not being frustrated and angry because i dont even have a chance to learn how to play, get killed instantly over and over again instead.

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Matchmaking is difficult to implement. To make the ranking system right, they need to consider various factors:

- Kills: Yes, kill counts is the easiest way to get impressed. But Kill/Death ratio is more accurate factor here. A player with 1000 kills and 5000 dead is not a skilled player. It just shows that player played the game more than others.

- Win: number of wins is another factor. Frequent winner is definitely a skilled player.

- Survival time: Some ppl will argue it's a less important factor. I'd argue it. Out of 20 matches, Player A with 1 win and got 19 games in the 19th squad, is not as good as a player with 0 win, but frequent top 3.

So, in order to rank a player, probably need to base on the combination of these 3 factors.

On top of that, matchmaking requires longer queue time.There is no absolute Matchmaking, we need to balance matchmaking with queue time as well,

Let's say:

- Perfect matchmaking takes minimum 5 mins queue time

- Moderate matchmaking takes 2 mins ( first minute matchmaking those similar skill players, after that, it fills up the rest based on priority)

- No MM takes almost instant to join the game

Most games will go for the 2nd option imo.

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Mmmm, it's a very prickly issues since some people, myself included, don't really care about the wins and just play like a DM. Hot dropping every game will absolutely tank your stats (like 7/10 game i'll have 150-300 dmg / 5 mins survival then the rest i'm top 3 with 1k+ damage) but if my survival time and k/d ratio would put me in something like the 25th percentile and in reality i'm somewhere in the 60-70th once properly geared, what happens is people like me will start dropping to the point where you're going to get a few dozen game where you could win champion with fists thus "ruining" those games, before going back into "proper" bracket for a while , before diving back down etc.

Thats why simplicity is best.